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liberalwithagun wrote:None, well most, of us are not economists and we could argue this for hours. I remember having skilled jobs making $10/hr (making dentures and crowns). I now make significantly more due to my skill increasing, however me making on par to someone at In-and-Out or chipotle shows things are different.

no need to throw around the most unskilled jobs as examples. Something is certainly wrong, however we live in a global economy more now than ever and need to make sure we have the smartest people. there will always be losers.... however there is no need for them to be us lol (my view of economics)

The reason I used the lowest level jobs is because that is the beginning of the chain. It was not meant as a insult.

Here is one fact of economics. The cost we pay for goods and services is directly proportional to the cost of manufacturing or providing those goods and services. Raise the cost of the labor, the price you and I pay goes up with it. Furthermore, if Walmart is forced to pay 12 instead of eight, this in turns means the denture maker person who was making ten, now has to be raised to 15 to keep everything on par. This is a chain that goes right up the ladder of all jobs or occupations, increasing the price of ALL goods and services, thus, canceling that raise you got.

In other words, it will not be an actual raise in the end. But it will convince folks like you to vote with your pocket book due to your lack of real world understanding on basic economics. The democrats feed off enslaving people who think they are owed something in life by offering them freebies.

One other thing you said that deserves mention. Take it from an old guy. Minimum wage has never provided a standard of living. No way in heck would minimum wage even be enough to pay the rent on a small apartment and all the other expenses of having a family. At least not since I was old enough to work.so things are not different from that aspect. What is different is we have a real lazy generation of people that were spoiled rotten by my generation. There seems to be a real sense of self entitlement amongst a lot of under thirty folks. We never expected to be supported by government regulation. We did not mind working and those of us that wanted more out of life worked harder to get it.

liberalwithagun wrote:When our grandparents were young the inflation adjusted minimum wage was also $12+/hr. and gas was a Nickle a gallon. times are tougher no doubt . while history should be a reference point, it really cheats us to lust after it. new world, new solutions.

Minimum wage is suppose to be a starting point. It is not suppose to put a person on equal pay with people who have skills. If you want to flip burgers your whole life that is your choice. Flipping burgers does not warrant all the finer things America has to offer. Work your way into something that pays better. Minimum wage was never capable of "paying for luxuries".

Here is math libtards don't seem to grasp. If a person can make 12 bucks an hour flipping burgers, then what does that make people who actually have real skills worth? If the pay rate for burger flippers, grass cutters, Walmart shopping guides ect. goes up 30% and everything else in the economy has to go up to achieve equilibrium. Next thing you know... Burger flipper will be crying they can't pay their bills on 12 bucks an hour. It will be funny when the burger flipper cannot afford a burger on 12 dollars an hour.

I may be telling you something you already know but they have a very serious "hispanic gang" problem in Austin. They feast on naive college kids who are out of the house for the first time. My son went to UT for four years. The first apartment he had there was in the west campus area. The kid in the apartment behind his was shot in the head. Assassination style. He was selling drugs and made his suppliers mad. Then a week later, my sons window got smashed and his stereo stolen. I go down there to find out what is what. I see gang tagging all over the place around his apartment. Cops tell me it is a serious problem and the college kids are totally unaware of it. That was seven years ago. My cousin lives down there. He said it is worse now.

One more thing. I moved him into a different area that the cops said was not as bad. Got out of the lease based on the high risk neighborhood. My attorney owned the apartment leasing company attorney. I had vids of everything from blood all over the walkway to gang graffiti all over walls, garbage cans poles...you name it.