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Shorts wrote: Which is?

I know what you mean about CC v OC being debated thoroughly...on every gun forum

I don't think that the proposed tactical advantage of having your weapon concealed outweighs the passive deterrent effect of having a weapon openly displayed. But this is impossible to prove, only possible to speculate and argue. It's a moot point anyway since you don't have the choice in TX.

One fact is for sure: in Texas, the BG doesn't know if you are carrying or not. You have a distinct tactical advantage if you are

I think these gentlemen are debating the merits of being able to surprise an attacker by drawing your gun, which was concealed, vs. the merits of deterring the attack in the first place in the event you were openly carrying. This is a common OC vs. CC argument. FWIW, it is an argument that I do not happen to agree with, but it has been discussed thoroughly on this forum already.

It's a reversible mod. Not too expensive. It does impede a "combat grip", you have to use your thumb to draw the gun out enough to get a finger around the grip, so I think it's kind of awkward int that way, but you can't beat the convenience of it!

With the Kel-Tec clip on my LCP, it is easy to carry IWB sans holster and if I am carrying the LCP that's generally how I carry it. It also stays where I want it in my pocket with no holster with the clip, and doesn't add the bulk of a pocket holster.

tornado wrote: LCP in a belly band? What's wrong with a pocket holster? That's how I carry it. Looks like a wallet.

It's just way, way too big to put in MY pocket, just for my own personal comfort, convenience and preference. I have a "thing" about having stuff in my pockets. It's just me. Belly band sounds like a much better solution.

SlowDave wrote: Do you wear your shirt tucked in or out?

Out. I think tucked-in would make drawing more difficult, but I guess not impossible. Belly band is on my "to-get" list, would make carrying the LCP under a dress shirt and tie much easier.

cling wrote:

android wrote:

mr.72 wrote:... I think this is mostly because I just don't look the type.

Why don't you look like the "type"?

Do you look like a convicted felon or somebody that has been diagnosed with a mental illness? Those are the "types" that cannot legally carry, so if you don't look like one of those, then you must look like the "type" that can.

His comment says more about his prejudices than it does about the people he stereotypes.

Grand total of 68 posts between you guys and suddenly you are entitled to publicly say I am prejudiced?

Nothing I wear "screams gun".

I seriously doubt any of you would be able to tell I am carrying. I think this is mostly because I just don't look the type.

jmorris wrote:

mr.72 wrote:... For the past year, I have been carrying my Kahr CW9 in my FIST K3 at every church service...

Ha! We're twins. Well, almost. CW40 in a K3 and I've carried for about a year. You don't say if it's leather or kydex though.

K3 is Kydex. The leather version is the "#4". FWIW I think I am going to order a leather snap-loop to replace the ill-fitting J-hook on my K3 (drill out the rivets and put in Chicago screws).

And the only one at church who has said anything about the clip knew I carried anyway. Do you wear a jacket or anything over it?

Just a shirt tail. Usually it's a sort of casual fashion-type button-down shirt and maybe a third of the time a T-shirt (graphic T, you know), with jeans.

AndyC wrote: I wonder if the kid still to this day wonders where it was

It's like that quote from "In the Line of Fire"...

I am pretty confident that nobody knows I am carrying if I haven't told them, and even those who do know do not know that I am carrying nearly all of the time. My wife has asked me many times, enough that I know that even she doesn't know it's there until I confirm it.

Yesterday I had the opportunity to talk with one of my band mates at church regarding concealed carry. Just for background: I play lead guitar and sing in the band in a large church (~6K members), I play four to five services per week and I am relatively high-profile. I am featured on 20-ft video screens all the time, and on streaming video of our services on the net. Seen by thousands of people every week. Soon enough we will probably be on TV.

My band mate just finished his CHL class and sent in his app last weekend. He bagan quizzing me about if I carry, if so how often, where, etc. Unfortunately it turns out that his CHL instructor told them in no uncertain terms that carrying at church was illegal. Great!

So I told him I carry frequently, pretty much anywhere that it's not prohibited and as long as my clothing allows (like, not when swimming, for example). Then eventually he asked if I was carrying presently.

I should note that he plays in the band and plays standing directly behind me, 4-5 services a week, for something like 6 years now. For the past year, I have been carrying my Kahr CW9 in my FIST K3 at every church service. He and I have had numerous conversations about CHL and guns, talked about going shooting together. He knows I have a CHL and I am an advocate of concealed carry. This is no surprise for this guy.

I told him I was carrying. He said "what? where?" I pointed it out, he reached out and touched the grip through my shirt. Then he said "wow, I never would have thought you were carrying". I asked if he hadn't noticed in the past year, and he said he never ever suspected.

So, ladies and gentlemen, you don't have to "dress around the gun" in order to effectively conceal. I wear jeans that fit, shirts that are not at all baggy or loose, and a regular "non-gun" belt. No vests, no fanny packs, no cover garment. Nothing special. Just a $40 kydex holster and a compact pistol. Even people who have very regular contact with me over an extended period of time don't know. My wife has to ask most of the time. Don't believe the hype.