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by Excaliber
Wed Nov 13, 2013 10:18 am
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Woman accidentally kills herself at shooting range
Replies: 45
Views: 11031

Re: Woman accidentally kills herself at shooting range

E.Marquez wrote:
Excaliber wrote:
I've seen enough intentional deaths presented as accidents that, especially when something really unusual presents itself, I suspect homicide or suicide first and conclude "accident" only when the first two possibilities are eliminated by evidence.

It's true that very strange and borderline incredible things really do happen with fair frequency, but there are lots of stories I'm not willing to buy without a whole lot of corroboration.
:tiphat: Fair enough,, perspective, experience and being products of our environment lead us to different assumptions and preconceived positions :cheers2:

For me, I look at an event like this from my experiences, hundreds of ND's and I see how that can prove true, open to how it could have been suicide or murder.

But I completely get how a person who investigates homicides, suicides or murders for a living would look at it as that, only seeing other if they find evidence that rules out those things leaving negligence or the like as a reasonable explanation.
Two approaches to the same task, and both valid.

The key is an unbiased examination of all the evidence, including the apparent anomalies that might not make any sense at all at first.
by Excaliber
Tue Nov 12, 2013 9:49 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Woman accidentally kills herself at shooting range
Replies: 45
Views: 11031

Re: Woman accidentally kills herself at shooting range

E.Marquez wrote:
Excaliber wrote: I suppose it's remotely possible that the violence of the recoil combined with a twisting of the arms could possibly result in the trigger being pulled by the recoil itself with the finger in the trigger guard, but that would be a really far out freak accident.
After personally witnessing, investigating, reviewing the investigations of literally hundreds of Negligent discharges that resulted in death, injury and or in most cases embarrassment.. From US, French, Polish, Canadian, Iraq and Afghanistan folks I can say without a doubt no method of ND reported to me is viewed as impossible or not plausible.

For sure each needs to be looked at interdependently with no preconceived notions it was or was not a intentional discharge, or ND with or without malice.. But nothing would surprise me at this point.
I've seen enough intentional deaths presented as accidents that, especially when something really unusual presents itself, I suspect homicide or suicide first and conclude "accident" only when the first two possibilities are eliminated by evidence.

It's true that very strange and borderline incredible things really do happen with fair frequency, but there are lots of stories I'm not willing to buy without a whole lot of corroboration.
by Excaliber
Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:15 pm
Forum: Never Again!!
Topic: Woman accidentally kills herself at shooting range
Replies: 45
Views: 11031

Re: Woman accidentally kills herself at shooting range

Charles L. Cotton wrote:This is really tragic, but . . .

A .500 S&W is a revolver --- she fires first round and the recoil both raises her arms and quite probably rotates her wrists also. I have two problems with this explanation. First, the .500 S&W has a long barrel and I can't see it pointing at her head at maximum recoil; it should be over her head. More importantly, I would be more than a little surprised to see her pull a double action trigger the 2nd time while the gun was in recoil or the upper-most recoil position.

I'm not saying it couldn't happen, but it'd take a lot, I mean a lot, of evidence for me to be convinced.

Chas.
I'm with you on this.

I suppose it's remotely possible that the violence of the recoil combined with a twisting of the arms could possibly result in the trigger being pulled by the recoil itself with the finger in the trigger guard, but that would be a really far out freak accident.

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