From that last paragraph I would venture to say that you are NOT a Libertarian.chasfm11 wrote:Keeping in mind that I'm one who does not advocate laws to address the problem, there is no denying that, for some, it IS a problem.Douva wrote: As far as I know, there hasn't been a single study showing that talking on a cell phone is any more distracting than talking to a passenger. Blaming somebody's cell phone has simply replaced blaming somebody's gender or ethnicity as the official road rage battle cry. Thirty years ago, a man might have looked at the driver who almost sideswiped him and responded, "Oh, it figures--it's a woman driver." Now the man looks at the woman who almost sideswiped him and responds, "Oh, it figures--she's on her cell phone." Both are simply knee-jerk responses--a way of boiling down the complexities of any given situation into something tangible on which we can place blame.
Two thoughts:
1. I ride my bike on a designated bike path 3 times a week for cardio. Want to know the biggest danger to me while I do that? It is people walking and talking on cell phones. The path is wide enough for people to past me safely in the opposite direction or for me to pass them (when I'm approaching form behind.) I cannot and will not. When I see someone on a cell phone, I ride my bike at least 5 yards off the concrete path to pass them. It appears that many cannot concentrate on even walking a straight line, or following the contour of the path, staying on their own side of it. I cannot imagine those same people behind the wheel of a car with the cellphone in their hand.
2. My unscientific study while driving in my Town is that about 1/3 of the drivers on our major streets are talking on cell phones. I can detect about 1/3 of those almost immediately because the path and speed of their cars gives them away. Since those streets have 3 lanes, I purposefully plan my use of lanes so that I avoid, as much as possible, being in front or beside them. It is nothing for one of them to suddenly swerve half way into another lane. As was pointed out in another post, many have their left arm up with their elbow in such a position that all of their visibility is blocked to their left.
I think that we, as a society, should attach a stigma to those who abuse use of cell phones. I know that there are some who can drive and talk but for the ones who cannot, they need to understand their impact on the drivers around them. The same is true for those who insist on using their cell phones in crowded checkout lines. I've noticed more and more businesses putting up signs admonishing customers to hang up their cell phones when interacting with the business' employees. Social pressure, not laws, is the way to handle this situation. Ignoring the problem is not option because it IS a problem, at least for some. I fully agree that putting on make up and even conversations with others in their car is a problem for some, too. Distracted driving is distracted driving, regardless of the cause.
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- Wed Oct 13, 2010 3:33 pm
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
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- Fri Oct 08, 2010 8:56 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
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Perhaps the answer lies in further research into advanced driving technologies.
- A device that advises a driver when they are weaving in a lane
- A device that advises a driver when they are constantly tail-gating
These devices would simply gain the attention of a driver that is demonstrating unsafe driving habits and perhaps "wake them up" to the need for closer attention to their driving habits.
If a driver is ill, drunk or enraged all bets are off.
I watched a woman on my commute north on the West loop of I-610 north and along Hwy 290 going NW last night. She weaved all over the road, constantly hit the brakes with nothing in front of her (I was in another lane as I could not drive safely behind her) and generally gave the appearance that she was drunk, on the phone or messing with other drivers. Yet each time I was close enough to get a good visual on her she seemed to be driving without talking, gesturing or demonstrating any behavior that might distract her from driving.
Her driving just simply appeared to be horribly erratic.
For all I know, the woman might drive better with a cell-phone by her ear.
- A device that advises a driver when they are weaving in a lane
- A device that advises a driver when they are constantly tail-gating
These devices would simply gain the attention of a driver that is demonstrating unsafe driving habits and perhaps "wake them up" to the need for closer attention to their driving habits.
If a driver is ill, drunk or enraged all bets are off.
I watched a woman on my commute north on the West loop of I-610 north and along Hwy 290 going NW last night. She weaved all over the road, constantly hit the brakes with nothing in front of her (I was in another lane as I could not drive safely behind her) and generally gave the appearance that she was drunk, on the phone or messing with other drivers. Yet each time I was close enough to get a good visual on her she seemed to be driving without talking, gesturing or demonstrating any behavior that might distract her from driving.
Her driving just simply appeared to be horribly erratic.
For all I know, the woman might drive better with a cell-phone by her ear.
- Wed Sep 29, 2010 6:04 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Driving and Cell Phones/PDA's
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I don't get the gist of your statement. Are you saying that it is better to have a hand-held phone while driving or are you contending that one or the other makes no difference?rm9792 wrote:That I can go with but I am mostly referring to advocates of hands free devices.RHENRIKSEN wrote:I agree that the conversation is a lot of it; HOWEVER, I frequently have to dodge misbehaving vehicles when I'm on their left side. When I get a closer look, it's almost always a) a woman, and b) she's hold the mobile up to the left side of her face. And gripping it in such a way that her vision is obscured to the left. Or at least she's acting like there's a wall to her left.rm9792 wrote:.
I know one thing. If a sudden emergency occurs while driving, I know that my first impulse will not be an urge to put my phone away or make any special movement simply because I have the phone in my hand. I will simply do what I do in real-life, and ignore the caller and still have both hands on the wheel.
- Fri Sep 24, 2010 10:20 am
- Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
- Topic: Driving and Cell Phones/PDA's
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Re: Driving and Cell Phones/PDA's
I can't imagine how they would word the legislation.
I personally only buy cars that use hands free technology for phones, so it is not that much of an issue for me. But I do sit in front of my sons HS waiting for him and operate my I-Phone to watch YouTube, play games and text...all with the motor and AC idling. As I understand it, I am technically "operating" a Motor Vehicle at that time, but am most certainly not doing anything that endangers anyone else.
I object to driving an automobile while using a hand-held phone, but I don't object to doing it while sitting in park.
Come to think of it, this is an example of legislating another thing that probably doesn't deserve legislating, simply because it is observed to be an "unsafe" practice by some. Society has, does and will continue to find issues like this which those of us who are "safety-aware" and love big government use to create laws to protect ourselves from ourselves.
When I use a gun in an unsafe manner, I violate the law. However, simply using a gun does not mean that I violated the law.
When I drink and drive, I violate the law. When I am drinking at home, I am not necessarily violating the law.
...and on and on.
I personally only buy cars that use hands free technology for phones, so it is not that much of an issue for me. But I do sit in front of my sons HS waiting for him and operate my I-Phone to watch YouTube, play games and text...all with the motor and AC idling. As I understand it, I am technically "operating" a Motor Vehicle at that time, but am most certainly not doing anything that endangers anyone else.
I object to driving an automobile while using a hand-held phone, but I don't object to doing it while sitting in park.
Come to think of it, this is an example of legislating another thing that probably doesn't deserve legislating, simply because it is observed to be an "unsafe" practice by some. Society has, does and will continue to find issues like this which those of us who are "safety-aware" and love big government use to create laws to protect ourselves from ourselves.
When I use a gun in an unsafe manner, I violate the law. However, simply using a gun does not mean that I violated the law.
When I drink and drive, I violate the law. When I am drinking at home, I am not necessarily violating the law.
...and on and on.