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tomneal wrote: ↑Fri Sep 13, 2019 8:21 am Pie-in-the-sky proposal

One of the problems with ending private transfers is that FFL's charge for transfers.

So, require the transfer to take place WITHOUT CHARGE at EVERY Federal office. I mean EVERY Federal prosecutor, FBI Office, Post Office, Park Service, BATFE office, Social Security Office, VA, Federal Court, Military Base, NSA, CIA, etc. Just wonder in with your customer and a gun and have the Feds fill out and keep the 4473. Same rules as a private FFL. Oh, I guess that would mean you could bring a gun into every Federal Building in the United States.

This would have to be WITHOUT CHARGE because it's a constitutional right. If a 'poll tax' is unconstitutional then a 'firearm transfer tax' would be as well.

It must be at EVERY Federal office because you can't force those 'in the sticks' to travel.

You wouldn't even need an ID. 'They' have said you shouldn't need one to vote.


Until 1968, someone could commit a Felony, go to prison, and when they got out, they could own firearms. The nation survived.

Best idea I’ve see or heard.

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:43 pm

Nuts wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:34 pm

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:10 pm

jason812 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:06 pm

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:04 pm Let's help draft a law we can live with....


-- Printed receipt for each party
-- Transaction records immediately deleted

How can you have a printed receipt and delete the transaction records?

The buyer gets a receipt, the seller gets a receipt, the government gets to delete the record after printing the receipt. Undifficult.

And you trust the government to delete them?

When I buy a gun through an FFL today, what record does the government maintain?
Would I be any worse off with my (admittedly pie in the sky) proposal?

The 4473 is kept for 20 years but the FFL can destroy them after that. The ATF encourages the FFL to turn them in instead of destroying them. Some FFLs will shut down their license and get a new one just to avoid having to store 4473’s (in which case the forms are sent to the ATF). During yearly inspections the ATF IOI can gather any info they want off the 4473’s, I’ve had them take someone’s info before during audits (even though there was nothing questionable and after I told him the buyer was legit and had a CHL).

Multiple handgun sales (and multiple long gun sales in border states) forms are sent to the ATF and chief law enforcement officer. Those forms have all the buyers info plus all the firearm info.

Your proposal does nothing to solve the problem and only opens the door to other infringing legislation. As Reagan stated, government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem. I have not seen anything proposed that will stop people from being killed. There has been nothing implemented worldwide that I know of that has stopped killing.

mayor wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 8:06 am

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:53 am For me, personally, I would appreciate the opportunity to go to the local cop-shop, together with the other party in a gun transaction, and have the buyer and the weapon checked for eligibility and stolen, respectively. Print a receipt for each party, no other record kept.

No registration required, since the only check on the weapons is whether it was ever reported stolen.
NICS check on the buyer.
And a time stamped receipt on the transaction. In case the weapon is ever found tied to a crime.

I don't want to sell a gun to a felon or other disqualified person, or buy a stolen gun.
If that's better done by an FFL, OK, but, it should be easy and inexpensive.
I'd like it to be optional as well. So I could choose to use it for transactions with people I don't know personally. There's no reason for me to run a NICS check in order to gift a gat to my daughter.

YMMV

Isn't this option available now?

Yes it is available (p 2p transactions through an FFL) but it’s not free and I doubt many use it.

RoyGBiv wrote: ↑Sat Sep 07, 2019 5:53 am For me, personally, I would appreciate the opportunity to go to the local cop-shop, together with the other party in a gun transaction, and have the buyer and the weapon checked for eligibility and stolen, respectively. Print a receipt for each party, no other record kept.

No registration required, since the only check on the weapons is whether it was ever reported stolen.
NICS check on the buyer.
And a time stamped receipt on the transaction. In case the weapon is ever found tied to a crime.

I don't want to sell a gun to a felon or other disqualified person, or buy a stolen gun.
If that's better done by an FFL, OK, but, it should be easy and inexpensive.
I'd like it to be optional as well. So I could choose to use it for transactions with people I don't know personally. There's no reason for me to run a NICS check in order to gift a gat to my daughter.

YMMV

The problem is that Texas FFLs have no way of checking if the firearm is stolen. Some states do but nothing I know of exists in Texas. Sure, a NICS background check can be done but if that was mandatory across the US that could equate to a “wait time”. NICS would be overloaded and it would take the government years to get the system capable to handle the increase in checks. We know how well our government does in implementing new programs. NFA wait times are in months, would you like that for firearm transactions? Now with a Texas LTC the NICS Check is not mandatory but some FFLs do it anyway.

Our government is not good at solving issues like this so I don’t look to them to be our solution. What exactly does the government do that is easy and inexpensive? I don’t see most FFLs making mandatory checks cheap (if it’s left up to them). It will be a new way of generating income. I see no way mandatory background checks are a good thing but if implemented it may allow me to make more money.

Soccerdad1995 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 3:37 pm

philip964 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 06, 2019 2:43 pm https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politic ... nd-checks/

So it’s started with Dan.

With friends like this, who needs enemies. I especially liked this part:

Patrick said he's spoken with gun store owners. They reportedly said they'd be happy to assist private sellers, by arranging for them to meet prospective buyers at their stores. The owners would run the buyers through the National Instant Background Check System.

"It takes a minute," Patrick said. "It's not a big deal."

So clearly these checks would be free, right? Are FFL's on board with this, Dan?

I would expect that FFLs who are for this see a way of making money off person to person transactions during a time when the industry is struggling. It’s been an extremely slow year for many firearms businesses, some wholesalers have gone out of business this year, others are laying off sales people and downsizing. There are also brick and mortar gun stores closing down some of which are local to me.

Some of it is due to regulation in states like Illinois where half of licensed gun dealers appear to be going out of business rather than comply with new laws. Illinois obviously did it as a form of gun control.
https://www.thetelegraph.com/news/artic ... 099439.php