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by Stupid
Sat Jan 03, 2009 8:33 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: 9 mm. vs 40 cal
Replies: 40
Views: 4717

Re: 9 mm. vs 40 cal

Excaliber wrote:
Comparisons between handgun rounds and rifle rounds based on caliber alone are not valid.

The much higher velocities of rifle rounds bring temporary wound cavity effects that damage tissue well beyond the actual projectile path through tissue. This dynamic doesn't occur with 9mm, .40 and .45 handgun rounds because the bullets don't travel fast enough to cause this effect.

Inside 100 yards while the .223 is still running hot enough to cause the bullet to yaw and break up upon entry, this round is a highly satisfactory man stopper. It loses effectiveness beyond that distance as it slows down and just punches .22 caliber holes which are often adynamic wounds, but that battlefield reality is not generally a concern to a civilian. If someone is more than 100 yards away, you probably don't have any business shooting at him anyway.

I am curious about the statement that a .308 is a poor man-stopper. Most folks hit in the torso with this round go down right then and are not in any condition to continue the fight. Where did the "poor man stopper" rating come from?

I was just making a generic statement which is probably too broad. People survived small calibers shots left and right. There's no-one-shot-stopper/focus on shot placement was my point.
by Stupid
Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:56 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: 9 mm. vs 40 cal
Replies: 40
Views: 4717

Re: 9 mm. vs 40 cal

One good thing about the 9mm is with ease, a selected carry pistol can carry more than 10 rounds - a Glock 19 can do 16. I personally love this aspect of 9mm. You would need the volume when things go south

I personally carry either 9mm G19 (16 rd) or .45 Kimber (8 rd); i am in the process of getting another 9mm carry pistol.

I don't like .40 because its brass is more scarce at range and commercial ammos are expensive and logistically i do not want to deal with yet another caliber.
by Stupid
Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:56 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: 9 mm. vs 40 cal
Replies: 40
Views: 4717

Re: 9 mm. vs 40 cal

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by Stupid
Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:14 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: 9 mm. vs 40 cal
Replies: 40
Views: 4717

Re: 9 mm. vs 40 cal

Welcome.

This topic has been debated to death without any conclusive result. General consensus is anything from 9mm, 40 and 45 is more than adequate; however some will lay down their dead bodies to defend the superiority of 40 or 45.

The thing is with small calibers including even .223 and the mighty .308 are poor man-stoppers. Shot placement is the key. So, I would say, shoot all 3 calibers and see which one you shoot the best, then carry that.

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