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by SlowDave
Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:59 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I now regret that OC passed
Replies: 142
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Re: I now regret that OC passed

thatguyoverthere wrote: Whether you or I or anyone else actually wanted OC to pass or not, and whether we now regret it or not, it's here. It's a done deal now. So now, does it really achieve anything worthwhile for some to say "I told you so" and/or to bellyache about what's happening now?
The reason to "bellyache" about it now is for everyone to learn from their actions. Next time a similar item comes up, people may be more inclined to think, "Oh wait, remember how the OC thing worked out."

If you haven't been very affected by the OC passage, great. I can tell you that just one posting, at your place of work, makes the entire thing VERY unworthwhile.
by SlowDave
Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:52 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I now regret that OC passed
Replies: 142
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Re: I now regret that OC passed

John75 wrote:I don't intend to OC but I fully support people demanding their Constitutional rights. If we aren't pushing gun rights forward, then we are losing. I don't mind changing where I shop and letting businesses know why. When anti-gunners are upset, then you can bet it's a good thing. Many people are just scared of guns and I believe OC may help diminish that.
Sorry, but I'm sick and tired of the line of reasoning that if I piss off my opponent, then I have made my achievement for the day. What I want to do is win my opponent over to my side of reasoning, which is pretty much guaranteed not to happen when I piss him/her off.

Also, your last statement is absolutely 100% off. Showing people who are scared of guns a gun on someone's hip at the grocery store or Bed, Bath, and Beyond will NOT diminish their fear. It's like thinking people who are scared of snakes will get over it by every now and then walking into the grocery store and seeing a snake. No, they will go tell the manager and see what can be done to get the snakes out of their grocery store. The fact that the snake did not bite them and actually wasn't even poisonous is absolutely and completely irrelevant to their fear.
by SlowDave
Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:36 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I now regret that OC passed
Replies: 142
Views: 44040

Re: I now regret that OC passed

Charles L. Cotton wrote:
LSUTiger wrote:. . . I am sure OC has played a role in speeding up the inevitable. But IMHO, it was only a matter of time before 30.06 was going to inevitably be posted in more and more places as time goes on regardless of OC.
Nope, it wasn't inevitable and in the 18 years since HB2909 passed creating TPC §30.06, there were very few 30.06 signs posted. Some folks are saying there were a lot of 30.06 signs initially, but they came down over the years. This is not the case by any means. The "big ugly signs" were very few and far between.

The OCT antics put the focus on signs and the anti-gunners used it to their advantage. As the OP stated, open-carry supporters are making things worse by complaining about 30.07 signs, or the lack thereof, and we will see more 30.06 and 30.07 signs. They will not come down as time goes by, at least not in significant numbers.

Open-carry supporters who are in the "you're with us or you're against us" camp won't even admit there's a problem now. The few that do claim "this too will pass." No, it won't pass. OC supporters won't let it pass.

Chas.
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+1.E6
by SlowDave
Thu Jan 07, 2016 5:33 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: I now regret that OC passed
Replies: 142
Views: 44040

Re: I now regret that OC passed

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zero4o3 wrote:
Unocat wrote:Don't have buyer's remorse just yet. let people settle into it. the signs will slowly come down over the next year or two.
When the crime statistics go down, when a LTC holder is a hero, when the OCT AR/AK wielders go away... things will get better.

No that new Star Wars movie - that I regret... I should have just thrown $11.50 in the toilet. :anamatedbanana
unfortunately I don't think that's how it works. Once those signs go up it will take more than crime statistics for them to come down.
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People/orgs put UP a sign because they're scared. They don't take down a sign because they become unscared. It's like a safety or liability issue, not in fact, but in the one-way latching behavior. People get scared about something having to do with safety, they put up a sign or enact a policy. When/if they become more comfortable with it, there is VERY little motivation to go back and repeal the policy. Like it or not, the large majority of the population that has minimal interest in concealed and/or open carry almost NEVER sees the benefit of it. They either don't care enough to really get riled up, or else they're scared of it. Almost zero motivation to ever remove a sign.

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