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Not to diverge a lot. In progressive, socialist Canada, Prostitution was found by the courts to be legal as a self-employed business. One can ask, why prostitution is still illegal in US? Is it morally illegal? Based on what standard? So if love wins as LGBT say, why "selling love" does not win too?

Tracker wrote:

Beiruty wrote:So do the Muslims.

Won't that be interesting. I wonder how many gay-marriage partners will seek employment at a mosque business office to test the law

That is a big deal, a national revolution would rise for those complex social issues. It is just history.

So do the Muslims.

mr1337 wrote:

Beiruty wrote:2.2+
We are already below 2.0

See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph ... statistics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Are you also in support of banning contraceptives so that society doesn't have to suffer?

I'm still unsure of your opinion on whether society is suffering or not due to me and my wife's choice not to have children. In fact, we might not even be able to have kids.

Keep in mind that there are children all across the nation in foster care and orphanages.

Mr. 1337,
Your personal choice of not having kids is yours and no one is blaming you for anything. However, as in Modern Countries, more and more of it is people would rather not have kids, can't afford kids, for whatever the reason, the total Fertility rate is getting below 2.0.
As the whole, the society and the government would have the interest in supplementing the growth of the population by either supporting and funding families with kids or opening the door for more immigration. In anycase, the demographics of the USA is shifting to an elderly nation as the seniors and retirees are dominating, (baby boomers of the 1950s are now retiring). This would bankrupt the social security and the medicare both at the same time. Worse, the congress is doing nothing about it. There are consequences for any change in the society norm.

2.2+
We are already below 2.0

See here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demograph ... statistics" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Glockster wrote:

Beiruty wrote:How about when more of the population turn gay and the rate of kids per family is less than 1. Surely enough we would be like Canada, that means 10,000,000 new immigrants per year. I just hope they do arrive the legal way.

What??? Did you actually say, "turn gay" and believe that someone just "turns" gay? Seriously?

Have you heard about bisexuals? Selecting a partner is a choice.

Can the OP fix the cryptic subject line?

Dave2 wrote:FWIW, the divorce rate fell back below 50% years ago. I don't recall my source on that, but I'll look it up if anyone wants me to.

(Not commenting on anyone's position, I'd just rather see an argument succeed or fail based on its merits, rather than getting some detail wrong.)

Maybe true. However, If divorce is getting lower so is % of those who are married. Maybe I should said "stable marriage are less than 50%"

rider,

Yeah, what I mean if gays can live married with no kids or even as you mentioned heterosexual couple do not want kids or could not afford kids. The whole society will suffer, so somehow, gay marriage may affect the whole society. It is all about acceptance of gays in the society and the legal ramification for kids and their rights.

As for me, I was raised in a conservative society. All the time, I felt uncomfortable when gays paraded almost naked on "main" street. However, I was in the camp in privacy it is NOT my business if Male A coupled Male B, Female x made out with Female x'.

Finally, marriage and raising a family are decoupled. And marriage is only a financial agreement and for tax purposes only.
1) First it was sexual liberalism and femism
2) Single moms are almost everywhere.
3) Stable marriages are less than 50%
4) Average marriage last no more than 6yrs
5) Kids from 4-6 unwed fathers
6) Change of sex for so-called transgenders, yesterday male runner is now a female model.
6) Homosexuals can marry.

I feel that society and its social norm are being tossed upside down. No wonder sooner or later, someone will invent the Terminator and call it a day.

How about when more of the population turn gay and the rate of kids per family is less than 1. Surely enough we would be like Canada, that means 10,000,000 new immigrants per year. I just hope they do arrive the legal way.

Then, Polygamy laws should be on the chopping block. If gays can marry, as a Muslim why I cannot marry up to 4 ladies at the same time. Ah, I will always be broke 4X!
Soon after, Incest laws would be terminated.