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by J.R.@A&M
Wed Oct 12, 2016 6:50 am
Forum: Anti-gun propaganda and other lies!
Topic: Still won't vote for Trump?
Replies: 232
Views: 55014

Re: Still won't vote for Trump?

parabelum wrote:I'm up to my eyeballs Scott. If Trump loses, it will be due to hard headed thumpers like you. I will refrain from saying any more, out of respect for texaschlforum house owner.
Disagree. Scott's assessment is pretty accurate. Trump's loss will have been mostly self-inflicted. I say that as somebody who is voting for Trump.
by J.R.@A&M
Mon Oct 10, 2016 3:18 pm
Forum: Anti-gun propaganda and other lies!
Topic: Still won't vote for Trump?
Replies: 232
Views: 55014

Re: Still won't vote for Trump?

Bitter Clinger wrote:
philip964 wrote:So a private conversation between Donald Trump and Billy Bush (no relationship that I know with the former Presidents) was recorded with a hot mike. This occurred over ten years ago.
So wait, wait...

They can find this private conversation from over 10 years ago and they CAN'T FIND THE 35,000 MISSING EMAILS?

REALLY? REALLY? :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
And further, they conveniently couldn't find this private conversation before the end of primary season??????!!!!!!
by J.R.@A&M
Fri Sep 23, 2016 6:13 pm
Forum: Anti-gun propaganda and other lies!
Topic: Still won't vote for Trump?
Replies: 232
Views: 55014

Re: Still won't vote for Trump?

labrat1001001 wrote:"We have two choices for president, the harpy or Trump, anybody you vote for except Donald Trump is a vote against you right to a firearm,..."

My response to this is "The one who gives up principle for victory is soon to lose both." Trump just had to walk back suggestions of a national stop and frisk policy; He is no friend of the constitution.
Trump may not be principled. He may not be the best friend of the constitution. But he is a better friend than his main opponent. So I am voting for him. Whatever you do, you will effectively be helping elect either him or his main opponent. No getting around that.
by J.R.@A&M
Sun Jun 26, 2016 7:59 am
Forum: Anti-gun propaganda and other lies!
Topic: Still won't vote for Trump?
Replies: 232
Views: 55014

Re: Still won't vote for Trump?

cb1000rider wrote:
rotor wrote: The right to keep and bear arms means that the government can not do what the British did to our colonial population or what the Nazis did to the Jews in more recent times. The 2nd amendment is to protect you from government, not just the bad guy that breaks into your home. I think in this respect our country is unique. With Obama we are already seeing oppression. When you take your first breath you either buy Obamacare or pay a tax. No freedom of choice. To be alive means you are taxed or must buy a government decided insurance. Didn't see that in The Constitution.
Totally agree that such is the basis for the 2nd amendment.

I definitely don't trust the government, but I feel that it'd be naive of me to think that any amount of civilian firepower would have the capacity to stop a modern government. The Branch Davidians were reasonably well armed and they were only fighting non-military law enforcement. They lost.

Back in the colonial days, a government couldn't launch a drone strike from the other side of the world. The playing field was somewhat level and a well-armed militia could defeat a British force from across the sea. That's simply not true anymore.

There is simply no way that our forefathers could see 200+ years into the future. I'm glad we have 2nd amendment rights, but I really don't think it stops the trolls in congress. Besides, they generally want my money.. Killing the population isn't in their self-interest.

I have seen hesitation on the part of law enforcement to shut down civilians that were operating outside the law, but I think that's more about media coverage the bad press and resulting lawsuits than it is about being unable to find an APC to drive in and shoot people up.
Civilian firepower does not have to outmatch the military in order for an armed citizenry to put a limit on tyranny. And armed citizenry makes it more expensive for the government to come arrest you and whisk you away to an internment camp. That is what happened to countless victims of Soviet, etc. oppression -- they were quietly arrested at midnight by a couple of secret police. You could do that in Stalin's Georgia, but you can't do that in Jimmy Carter's Georgia. You'd have to send a SWAT team, and it would make the news, and it would be both financially and politically expensive.

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