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WTR wrote:

oljames3 wrote:

mloamiller wrote:

WTR wrote: Would it depend on the environment if was one of your family members were be beaten unconscious? However, you want the perfect "environment " to come to the aid of a man being beaten by a mob of thugs.

Whether or not my immediate loved one was involved would definitely make a difference in terms of whether or not I engaged, given the same environment. In other words, if it were my wife or child being beaten, I would absolutely engage and not be as concerned with the environment than I would if it were a complete stranger. I am much more willing to take greater risks to protect my family than I would a stranger, and honestly, less concerned about possible collateral damage.

Does that make me a coward, or less of a man because I might not do the same for a stranger? I don't think so; I think it makes me a husband and a father.

The Fire Support Annex to my OPLAN assigns priority of fires to those for whom I am directly responsible. On Order shift of fires should the situation allow.
70% disabled Vietnam Era vet. Commo and fires is the best I have to offer.

What does your disability have to do with it?

Soccerdad1995 wrote:

bdgyeah wrote:I see a lot of justification not to intervene, based on fear... and a whole bunch of stupid hypotheticals. In this country, you do have the right to be afraid, or to cower, and not to come to aid a 50's/60's yr old man , and go to help him or not help him based on your own circumstances.

What if you had just entered the situation with beating already in progress? Would there still be comments like "not my monkey, not my circus," or "maybe he deserves it", or "my EDC is to protect my own , and he's not part of it."

The reality is, after reading this thread, if I'm not present and a family member or more of mine needs help from members of this forum, I can count on a bunch of highfalutin, armed LTC holders who love showing pictures of their EDC's and acting like a bunch of teenage girls discussing the latest fashion trend, to call 911.

Not that calling 911 isn't doing anything. It is something. In fact, it's exactly one more action that would have been taken, recently, by a bunch thugs who watched a disabled man drown, and laugh about it, and videotape it.

I guess here in Texas, I am only my brothers keeper if the circumstances are perfectly legible, and if the stars are aligned in such perfect harmony where as not to cause me to crap my pants while being frozen with fear.

You see fear. I see a lot of rational, mature discussion about the many things that should be considered before getting involved in the assistance of others. I don't think it makes one a "coward" or a "teenage girl" if you pause before getting involved in a situation that could easily escalate to the use of deadly force. I also don't think that name calling is helpful to this discussion.

A video taken by a passenger of the attack has been seen tens of thousands of times on Facebook since Sunday night. Kennan Jones was kicked, punched and slapped for several minutes by more than a half a dozen young men and women.

The attack spilled out onto the Deep Ellum Green Line platform, where two other young men wearing orange work shirts, who were not involved in the initial attack, joined in and punched and kicked Jones on the ground before he was beaten unconscious with a skateboard.