Generally, you are correct..
We almost all end up covering ourselves on the draw and as we reholster.
There is no “generally correct” about it. I have issued the challenge here before…and precious few ever came back holding the position that they did NOT cover themselves or someone else when carrying (or would if they drew their weapon).
Others find shoulder rigs “just the ticket”, so your personal condemnation rings a bit hollow. Concerning rude, there is no need to repeat yourself…I understood your meaning the first time. We will address the “rude” part in a moment though.Every system has it's issues but I find most shoulder rigs slow, cumbersome and rude. Yeah, I said rude!
This is true. It is equally true that a weapon “properly” drawn from a horizontal shoulder rig does NOT cover the person drawing it or anyone else unless there happens to be someone directly under you in a very narrow 45 deg. arc by your weak side.As it happens, most shoulder rigs actually manage NOT to point the muzzle at the guy carrying the gun.
See response above.And if all I had to worry about was a guy giving himself an instant mastectomy with a shoulder rig, I probably wouldn't care.
I will have to assume in your line of work…you come in contact with a fair number of folks who carry in shoulder rigs and are unjacketed (not concealed). If this is in connection with some line of LEO…then you have a “bone to pick” with administration, because apparently, they consider it to be safe and NOT “rude”. Same thing for the military. If it’s “good” for them…why not citizens? How do we reconcile this?However, more than once, some poor sap like me has glanced down at someone armpit's only to see a muzzle staring him in the face! That is RUDE!
While we are making such fuss about seeing a “muzzle” (irrespective of the readily dischargeable state of the weapon), lets consider the hundreds of times a day LEO point loaded weapons (in hand/readily dischargeable) at people. Is this “rude”?
Yes, I realize that so long as his boogerhook ain't (or shouldn't be) on the bang switch all will be fine unless there's something wrong with the gun. Oh...But what if there is something wrong with that gun?
If there is something wrong with the weapon then we have a separate issue don’t we. An unsafe weapon is an unsafe weapon regardless of mode of carry. Do you know of a single incident involving a shoulder holster and an improperly functioning weapon resulting in a discharge? Or are we just “if-ing” here to try to make point?
Let me adopt your strategy for just a moment though…and see IF you have the same problem with other modes of carry as you do with S/C. A great many ladies carry a pistol in a purse, often during the day…the muzzle is in a horizontal position or pointing down at a slight angle. Yes, you don’t SEE it…and get a case of the willy’s, but it’s there. Problem?
How about Joe Citizen with his pistol resting on his bedside table in the apartment next door (muzzle pointing somewhere other than him). Same orientation as the guy with a shoulder rig, right? Problem with that? Rude?
You may have friends who wear a BUG in an ankle holster (or know someone who does). Lets say this person crosses his leg (like men do) while sitting in a chair on a couch. Where is that muzzle…again? Rude…I tell ya.
It goes on and on: Pistol on car seat or glove compartment, pistol in briefcase, pistol in trunk of car, pistol in luggage, pistol on hip of a person above another, pistol on hip and wearer bends over. Rude…..or reality!
Really, I thought this discussion was for the sake of safety. I extend that concern to everyone.I'm willing to accept the risk of someone shooting themselves.
Then I suggest you immediately enact a bill to repeal concealed carry, because its happening all around you everyday. You just refuse to accept that there are times when weapons are actually safe (I.E. properly functioning, holstered/secured, not being handled).What is a concern is having a gun needlessly sweeping everyone even if no one has their finger on the trigger.
Certainly not, nor does this in anyway compare to a holstered weapon. No where have I suggested that a readily dischargeable weapon (in hand) is something to be taken lightly or to point at someone unless absolutely necessary.Let me put it another way...Are you willing to let me point my muzzle at your forehead while my finger resting well outside the trigger bow and high on the slide?
Conversely, I do not get overly concerned about the loaded state of a weapon (or anyone’s method of carry) provided the weapon works properly and is not being handled. More importantly….the last thing on my mind is the idea that it is “rude” to employ a manner of carry different than yours.
I would never dream of such a thing, so it will never be an issue.I'm certainly not willing to let you do it to me.
Have fun, be careful.OK...I'm done being silly. I've got to head over to Top Gun, we're supposed to be doing carbines tonight.
Just my .02 on it (with a nickel rebate).
