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by solaritx
Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:39 pm
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Joe Horn going to Grand jury
Replies: 95
Views: 11823

Re: Joe Horn going to Grand jury

I fully agree, posting here is preaching to the choir...but if you note, I said to post other places. Maybe one can point out enough facts that it might change a few opinions. With a few now, a few more later and maybe we can change alot?

I also agree that the best thing Mr. Horn could have done is report the problem to 911 and then hang up. The best thing he could have done is not give interviews or just learn the words "No Comment".

I also agree that if others follow suit, the outcome can/could be different.

But bottom line, none of the facts that I pointed out were false. The system is broken when the criminal's rights outweigh the rights of the victim, and people are getting more and more fed up. That is the reason that there is such a positive attitude for CHL in the vast majority of states. People realize that the government can not protect them or their loved ones from danger and that at least a portion of the responsibility for your and your family's well being is directly on YOUR shoulders. Some take that responsibility, some don't.....but from the response to CHL, it looks like more people are willing to stand up and defend themselves and others because the government will or can't.

(also, just because a threat turns it's back, doesn't change the fact that it can or still is a threat)

And what, no comment about the undercover police officer sitting in the car, taking no action? This is like the two officers at Columbine that saw and allowed the threats to enter the school. Here was an officer on site, took no action and took no blame. If the threats had not been there, no killing. If the officer had done his duty, no killing.
by solaritx
Thu Jul 03, 2008 8:50 am
Forum: General Gun, Shooting & Equipment Discussion
Topic: Joe Horn going to Grand jury
Replies: 95
Views: 11823

Re: Joe Horn going to Grand jury

As posted above, the link to the Horn interview is there. I suggests that individuals go there and post comments. Let others know what and how you feel. Posting here is fine, but maybe your words can make others think in a new way.

Here is what I posted:

First, the 911 dispatcher is NOT a policeman/policewoman and has no more influence than you or me telling Mr. Horn not to do something. Thus, it was not the police that was instructing him
Second: There was a policeman (undercover) sitting in a car in the road near his home and heard and saw what was going on, and did nothing. He never left his car.
Third: Once again, individuals are trying to point out that our society and court system is more about protecting the rights of the criminal than the victim. Maybe (or maybe not) Mr Horn was a victim, but sure as the sun comes up, the neighbor was and two individuals violated these peoples rights.
Fourth: The law in Texas clearly indicated that Mr. Horn was within his rights under the law to do what he did. Personally, you can be against it, but he was within his rights under our law.
Fifth and bottom line:: Mr Horn was in his home, in his neighborhood, in a country where he legally resided. These two other individuals were illegally in a country they did not belong in, had a long history of illegal activity in the country they were illegally in, and on this day were illegally breaking into someone home and illegally stealing property that didn't belong to them. If these two individuals were not illegally here, not illegally violating the rights of other legal individuals.......they would be alive today. Who put themselves in the place and time of conflict? Maybe Mr. Horn did, but the greater burden is on the individuals that were not suppose to be in this country, not suppose to be on that street, not suppose to be in that home, not suppose to rob the individuals, and not suppose to be on Mr. Horn's property

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