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ScooterSissy wrote:

treadlightly wrote:

From some of the reading I've done, there are undercover cops in the OMG's and their are OMG members undercover in the military and law enforcement agencies.

Probably so. And there are MC's like the Blue Knights who, despite probably being fine folk, are completely aware of the patch extortion schemes - and let it continue.

Maybe for reasons beyond my view, it's just not a big deal. Seems like it led to killings, but I guess it's not worth pursuing.

To the best of my knowledge, the Blue Knights wear exactly what they want to wear. Definitely have 3 piece colors.

This conversation is funny to me - if there are any other DCI fans out there, I'm sure they are thinking the same thing. We do need to watch out for those ruffian Blue Knights.

treadlightly wrote:Who should I contact?

You'd have to have:
- A plaintiff to take this forward in civil court
- A victim (probably willing to testify) to take it forward in criminal court. Without a victim, the LEO would have to have full visibility to the act, including the threat, the arrangement, and the payoff or enforcement. If the enforcement is done by somebody other than the arranger, you'd have to establish the link between those two as well. It's probably not a very easy case to make if you do have a cooperating victim, which I doubt they have.

Abraham wrote:Why do Christian motorcycle club members dress like outlaw bikers?

There's something deeply wrong with that...

And, no, I don't buy for one second that to evangelize to these bikers one must appear to be like them to gain access to their cancerous souls.

Baloney!

If that's to me, I never said the Christians would need to dress and act like outlaws; I said I can see a reason why they might need to go where the bikers are.

I can see legitimate evangelical reasons for a Christian group to be there. Until this happened, proselytizing on a sunny Sunday afternoon among bikers seems safer than going to a field party on a Saturday night.

I have no idea if this was going on; I am just saying that it would make sense to me. If you've got a heart for bikers and want to bring them the Gospel, you have to go to where the bikers are.

Good catch!

I just caught up with the thread and will quick hit a few unrelated topics that have been brought up:

The only place I've seen CHL mentioned was an interview with an anonymous informant who said several clubs have encouraged non-felons to get CHLs so that they can carry without being harassed. A documentary I saw years ago said that there are cases where a legal carrier might carry multiple firearms so that he can distribute them to the felons in an emergency. All is believable, it's a pretty obvious tactical solution to an outsider. The other was an undercover LEO asking for the CHL law to be updated to prevent felons and members of known gangs from carrying. I get the logic, but that's a slippery slope akin to the no-fly list.

For the most part, I've been interested to see the "gun" narrative not be the headline - the MSM and mass public seem more captivated by the novelty of a real biker gang war.

My thought on the local Twin Peaks manager is that Sunday lunch is probably a slow time for most chains of this ilk. Having a restaurant full of - not just customers - but drinkers, had to be alluring. I'll vote greed and nothing more unless something else comes out about him personally.

The names and cities of residence for the dead have been released:
http://www.wfaa.com/story/news/local/te ... /27550299/

This site has a little more personal info on several of the dead from social media:
http://heavy.com/news/2015/05/matthew-m ... scimitars/

I won't be surprised if several get reduced charges and lowered bond. The fact that they're still only halfway through the booking process shows what an administrative nightmare this whole thing is. They have to default to everybody being charged with the whole kit-and-caboodle while they sort everything out. I like the precedent of throwing the big book at everybody, at least to start.

I'm curious to know what kind of surveillance video might be forthcoming, along with cell phone video and possibly police body cameras footage (if available).

I also think the spokesman for Waco PD has done a phenomenal job and will likely get several offers for new opportunities.