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The Annoyed Man wrote:

chuck j wrote:I keep hearing people talk on this forum worrying about an officer tormenting you because you have a CHL , the opposite is more the truth . If you act responsible and use common sense an officer is actually more lenient because you have already submitted yourself to a background check and took the coarse , you have proven yourself to be a solid citizen by accepting the added responsibility of carrying . Most of those claiming the law will hassle you are just getting an argument going and they dont even have a CHL .

Panda wrote:I don't know where you're from, chuckj, but here in Texas people don't take kindly to be called liars.

Please read rule 2. You agreed to follow it when you joined this forum.

chuck j wrote:Panda ,just checked back in and discovered I'm calling people liars , well yes I am . On practically every forum on the net there are people that exist on a forum to gain some type of strange sick satisfaction from deceiving and causing the members to argue amongst themselfs . Regular or 'normal' people do not usually look for these folks and in being helpful or trying to make the 'troll' see the truth there is a ridiculous conversation or argument involving other members .
I have only stated what I consider the truth .
As to my being a Texan , My great great grandfather settled a ranch on Bull Creek in the 1850's north of Austin, my grandfather cut ties for the first railroad in Texas he and his brother Buck drove cattle on the trail drives of the 1870's , my father was born in a dugout in 1901 , I was born at the General Hospital in Wichita Falls TX in 1952 .
Whats your story ? If you have any doubts come on up to Wichita Falls and I'll buy you supper , we will talk , would be an excellent opportunity to expose me for the liar that I am .
chuck j

Interesting exchange. For what it's worth, I was born in a private hospital in Casablanca, Morocco........in 1952. Got to Texas as soon as I could. I've had several encounters with LEOs since getting my first CHL, two of which involved my receiving a driving award. Actually, they were both "fix it" tickets. The other encounters involved police responding to a burglar alarm at my church, right at the moment I was arriving, a couple of police responses to burglar alarms in my own home, and an accident involving my wife. In all the interactions but one, the officer in question looked at my CHL, handed it back, and couldn't have cared less. In the one exception, the officer looked at my CHL, asked me if I was armed and where my gun was. (It was slung over my shoulder in a Maxpedition Fatboy-S.) I told him, and he asked me to keep my hands away from the bag. That was the last word in the matter.

Conversely, one of our members here had an unintentional failure to conceal. He was sitting in the waiting room of a tax office, and his shirt rode up as he stood up, exposing his mini-glock in an SOB holster. The soccer mom sitting behind him apparently got the vapors and made a MWAG call to the local 911. When our member left, still unawares of his "transgression," he made it all the way out to his car in the parking lot before a posse of Round Rock's finest (at least I recall that it was Round Rock, but I could be wrong about that) rolled up on him in multiple cars and actually drew down on him. He ultimately did not have to do the time, but he definitely did have to take the ride, and it cost him a lot of money.......his CHL notwithstanding.

Fact is, cops are people. Most of them by far are good and decent people. A small few of them are not. The few that are not good and decent people make the job more difficult for the majority that are, and life in general more difficult for the folks who pay their salaries—both in terms of being a waste of money, and in terms of abusive behavior toward the citizenry. And just like with cops, citizens are people. Most are decent and good. A few are not. Those that aren't make life harder for the rest of us. The microcosm of the CHL world is exactly like that. Most of us are good and decent. A small number are jerks.

So, when a good citizen/CHL has an unpleasant run in with a cop, is the citizen the jerk, or is the cop? No way to know for certain in most cases, but surely in a few of those cases, the cop is the problem, just as in some of those cases, the citizen is the problem. In such cases where both are jerks, it can get ugly fast.