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Cedar Park Dad wrote:

anygunanywhere wrote:So barry is not a left wing extremist? Sure fooled me.

Anygunanywhere

When you're hard right, everything is extreme. (And ditto if you're hard left).

Translation: if you think he's hard left you've never experienced the joy of California (or Austin) politicians.

I think Obama is pretty hard left in his rhetoric, but not always in his actions.

I wouldn't call Christie hard left. He is probably pretty conservative for the Northeast if you leave abortion out of the definition. He is just to the left of us down here in Texas.

Personally, I don't think most on this forum are as hard right as some would say. I just think the media and Democrats have moved so far left over the last 50 years that we look hard right by comparrison.

Cedar Park Dad wrote:

MechAg94 wrote:

cb1000rider wrote:

Jeff B. wrote:I honestly and firmly believe that if Chris Christie is nominated as the GOP candidate for the 2016 Presidential race, you will see a third party candidate who had formerly been a Republican and he will take the vital heart of the party with him, leaving the old back slapping, cigar smoking go alongs behind.

Jeff B.

Then the Republicans split and the Democrats win... Just sayin'.

If Christie is the nominee, I really doubt the Repubicans win anyway.

There is a big chunk of the Republican party that like smaller govt and lower taxes and they are more often than not ignored. The pro-gun Repub crowd is generally in that camp also. The more "moderate" and elitist the repub candidate it, the more those people will stay home. If that party don't get reorganized or figure it out, they will go the way of the Whig party.

Independents win elections. The extreme wing of either party does not win elections.

Reagan had a big tent.

I call bull on that at least in part. Who are independents? They are NOT all moderates who fall in the middle on everything. They are just people who don't like the big Parties for one reason or another. Some are libertarians, some just don't follow politics, some are conservative, and some are liberal. I think many of the self identified "moderates" would not fall in that category if you actually put them through an issue by issue test. I see a great many people on gun forums who are disgusted with the Republican party. I wouldn't say that was representative, but I do think it is a chunk of those independents.

I think a big chunk of the independents and the Repub party respond very well to a small govt, less regulation message. Palin got a big grass roots response when she was named McCain's VP candidate and even after always drew big crowds when she helped local candidates with fund raising.

I guess I would mainly just say that not all Democrats are alike, not all Republicans are alike, and I think independents are even more diverse.

cb1000rider wrote:

Jeff B. wrote:I honestly and firmly believe that if Chris Christie is nominated as the GOP candidate for the 2016 Presidential race, you will see a third party candidate who had formerly been a Republican and he will take the vital heart of the party with him, leaving the old back slapping, cigar smoking go alongs behind.

Jeff B.

Then the Republicans split and the Democrats win... Just sayin'.

If Christie is the nominee, I really doubt the Repubicans win anyway.

There is a big chunk of the Republican party that like smaller govt and lower taxes and they are more often than not ignored. The pro-gun Repub crowd is generally in that camp also. The more "moderate" and elitist the repub candidate it, the more those people will stay home. If that party don't get reorganized or figure it out, they will go the way of the Whig party.