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Soccerdad1995 wrote: Just to make sure I understand, are you saying that the ATF affirmatively stated that the Akins Accelerator was in compliance with all laws. And then the same agency later admitted they were mistaken and that the same thing they originally said was legal, was in fact never legal at all, even though there had been no change in the underlying law?

Because that is exactly what the ATF is now saying with this proposed rule. They are admitting that they screwed up on their original interpretation of the law, and are now saying that those who acted in good faith reliance on that mistaken opinion must forfeit the items that they bought. At a minimum, heads should roll at the ATF for costing their employer (the U.S. public) millions of dollars. I know that I would be out of a job really quickly if I cost the shareholders of my company anywhere near that amount of money.

I'm thinking there should be a lawsuit and a stay on enforcement until a judge can figure out whether this regulatory agency will change their legal interpretation yet again.

Soccerdad1995 wrote:
I don't know that the relevant agency has ever specifically opined that a given drug is legal, and then later decided that it is illegal without there being a change in law, so I don't think we have any good precedents here. When things are outlawed, there is frequently a grandfather clause included in the new legislation.

crazy2medic wrote:If a standard AR stock can be bump fired does that make it a Bump fire stock? If not then how do you separate the two? A stock that is intended to be bump fired and a stock that can be bump fired?

jason812 wrote:

Misfit Child wrote:

jason812 wrote:If this goes through, what is the government prepared to do when nobody turns their bump stocks in to be destroyed?

The same thing they did if you had an Akins Accelerator and didn't remove the spring or get rid of it. The same thing they do if you cut a rifle barrel to 14" or make a lightning link from an old license plate.

One of those you could buy, the others make with no paper trail. So what did the government do if you legally purchased an Akins Accelerator and didn't turn it in? I didn't ask what happens if you get caught with an illegal mod. What will they do when you don't turn in your bump stock?

Don't take that like I'm angry. I know it can come across that way just from text.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

Alternative 3—Opportunity alternatives. Based on public comments, individuals wishing to replicate the effects of bump-stock-type devices could also use rubber bands, belt loops, or otherwise train their trigger finger to fire more rapidly. To the extent that individuals are capable of doing so, this would be their alternative to using bump-stock-type devices.

Nice to know that rubber bands and belt loops aren’t being included in the ban.