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texanjoker wrote: I personally believe an LE is innocent until proven guilty just like everybody else.

Dave2 wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I completely understand the safety issues when booking a prisoner in a jail, and if a body cavity search is called for in that situation, then it is what it is. But absent an arrest, it is a sick and evil thing to do to somebody, particularly right there in public on the side of the road. Jesus.......put yourself in their shoes. Is that what you would want done to you? All I know is that if you do a body cavity search on me, on the side of the road, especially with a 2nd hand glove, you darn well BETTER find something or I'm going to own your hindparts, and your house, and your department's budget for the next 10 years. How come it's not rape when you do it to a non-consenting innocent person, but it is rape if I do it? If any cop thinks he can stick a finger in my body where God never intended it to go, then I will, by God, give him a very good reason to arrest me, and he may well have to shoot me because I am NOT submitting to that kind of indignity and abuse without getting some licks in. I don't care what the reasoning is. You don't do that to someone without first arresting them. If you're a cop and you think this is OK to digitally rape somebody on the roadside without arresting and booking them first, then your moral compass is so far out of gimbal that you aren't qualified to be a cop.

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No, dangit.....NOT end of story. I swear to God that this is NOT something the Founders would have understood to be OK. Cops who make excuses that "well uuuhhhh....the Supreme Court allows it....." flat dishonor their oaths. I don't want to hear a cop justify this stuff to me. That doesn't give me faith in law enforcement. No. I want to hear LEOs say "you're right, that is wrong, and raping a citizen on the roadside in some unbridled effort to find evidence before arresting and bringing them in is dead wrong and unacceptable." 30-40 years ago, this would have been unthinkable, and it is just another example of the slippery slope we're on toward a police state. Let me ask you LEOs who think this is OK......since there was a time when it was unthinkable, and now it is SOP, how long will it be before you think it's OK to just cut somebody open with your knife to find out what they've swallowed?

Seriously. I am really disappointed that anyone who thinks of himself as a decent cop would defend this practice by the side of the road like that. Just one more reason to withdraw from society.

mikedude wrote: I can say I didn't watch the whole video as it didn't show much, nor do I know specific DPS policy.

bulletslap wrote:I was scolded on this board recently for my observation that DPS Troopers are not what the used to be, many need to be not just dismissed, but locked up - after due proceess of course.

He the DPSS Trooper David Farrell in action in another stop, this is the name that has been reported in the case of the two women, probably the same Trooper - can you name the violations ?

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If you watch the video it shows the search, so there is no doubt it happened. The audio is very clear throughout. At the end of the video you can hear one of the women very calmly complaining about her treatment and where the officer put her fingers ---can't really repeat it here. I doubt I could have remained that calm.I know my wife wouldn't have been that calm. I can't honestly say what I'd have done in that situation if they had treated my wife like that.