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gregthehand wrote:

Geopagus wrote:

seamusTX wrote:That's nice. You question my credibility while offering no evidence to show that I am wrong.

If you can show me some cases where people who are not engaged in a crime (felon in possession of a firearm, transporting drugs, illegal alien, etc.) or have outstanding warrants shoot at police during traffic stops, I will eat crow with a smile -- well an embarrassed grin anyway.

- Jim

As I stated before, Unbelievable.

Here's your evidence that many people have already seen. It's the senseless murder of Trooper/Brother Vetter over the old man not wanting to receive another seat belt violation citation.


http://www.zippyvideos.com/1729980694559786/vetter/


Now go eat your crow with a smile and may this thread rest in peace.

WHOA WHOA WHOA there man. This was not some sweet old man who didn't want a ticket. This was by a man who was a member of the Republic of Texas and who had interactions with the officer before. Infact you can barely here it but the DPS trooper took a shot at the man as soon as he saw the weapon b/c he had his weapon out as soon as he started the traffic stop. The man refused to adhere to any traffic laws and had told the local police the next time he got pulled over he was going to kill whoever pulled him over http://www.odmp.org/officer/15433-troop ... ade-vetter. How do I know? Oh well we studied the case at the academy. It's a text book example of how to not perform traffic stops on known potentially dangerous persons and is taught to new cadets under the premis of dealing with KNOWN criminals who have threatened officers before!!!!!!!! You gonna tell a story to make an example tell the whole story man. This "old man" had been in jail before, had been arrested before, and had THREATENED the life of police officers before. I know this is becoming a heated topic, but of all places HERE we should look at the whole truth otherwise we are no better than the Brady bunch twisting stories to meet criteria. Oh as far as "dis-arming" Trooper Vetter was shot before he even had a chance to get out of his car. Seeing as how the old man didn't even have a state issued driver's license (he had his Republic of Texas one) I doubt he would have had a CHL; don't you?

seamusTX wrote:That's nice. You question my credibility while offering no evidence to show that I am wrong.

If you can show me some cases where people who are not engaged in a crime (felon in possession of a firearm, transporting drugs, illegal alien, etc.) or have outstanding warrants shoot at police during traffic stops, I will eat crow with a smile -- well an embarrassed grin anyway.

- Jim

seamusTX wrote:The only people who shoot at cops are career criminals who are wanted or actively engaged in some criminal activity when they are stopped.

- Jim

TX Rancher wrote:

Geopagus wrote:
Your kind words are very appreciated flintknapper. There are already enough people in society who dislike LEO's with a passion. I see it, hear it, and feel it everyday; I understand it because of the small percentage in Law Enforcement who do the profession an injustice, but also feel short changed for those of us who are trying to do our best.

Geopagus:

I believe the issue for LEO’s is basically the same as it is for many public service groups (EMT’s, doctors, lawyers, military, etc.). The window into your organization for the majority of the public is through the mass-media, and they don’t make money on good news. They make money on uncovering the “bad side�, not reporting the “good side�.

The net result is the majority of the public’s view on LEO is drawn from very negative stories based on a few bad apples, and as a result, LEO’s can find themselves in the “un-trusted� category.

Discussions between LEO and non-LEO then almost always degrade into the us-vs-them tirade:

“I just want to go home at the end of the shift� vs “You knew the risks when you took the job�

“Civilians should show us respect� vs “LEO should show us respect�

“Not all LEO’s are bad� vs “Not all LEO’s are good�

It’s a no-win situation, and that won’t change anytime soon unless both sides are willing to take a step forward and give the other side some credit…but figure the odds on that happening

flintknapper wrote:Well....clearly this is an important and passionate subject, else it would not have generated 6 pages of replies and attracted 1,200 views.

Even though I am a bit dogmatic about certain aspects of CHL disarms, I want to make it clear that I am proud of the LEO that go out daily and do a job that I wouldn't want to do.

They have my support and deep appreciation, especially those on this forum who are current or past LE.

My hat is off to you.

Thank you for your service.

Flint.