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- Mon May 18, 2009 10:17 pm
- Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
- Topic: Bad LEO Encounter last night
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Re: Bad LEO Encounter last night
I won't say what city this is because I don't want to place a bad name on the city's police force, as most of them are good guys as far as my limited experiences with them have been. Along the same lines, I will not say if I work for the same city's FD. I only have the ability to contact dispatch due to the fact that we have a county wide dispatch agency that dispatched all emergency responders in the entire county (about 60 seperate agencies all dispatched from one comm room) and I also used to work in that comm room, so I know several of the supervisors there personally. I will say that I did not know, nor had I ever even heard of the Sargent that I spoke with. Someone mentioned that I have a somewhat "easier ear" with the department/chief, and while that may or may not be true, that is ONLY because I am also an emergency worker, not because I know any of them personally. I'm waiting, they have my phone number, and can get her phone number from the 911 call record, we'll see if we get an appology. But I'm sort of torn as to whether to actually follow up, or just trust that his Sarge took care of it and go on with my life. What do you guys think? I know some have expressed the thought that I should go downtown and file a formal complaint, and while I haven't ruled that out completely, I do want to give his immediate supervisor the benefit of the doubt and adequate opportunity to handle the situation, as that's what I would want if I were the officer in question, OR his supervisor. Thoughts guys?
- Mon May 18, 2009 5:49 pm
- Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
- Topic: Bad LEO Encounter last night
- Replies: 51
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Re: Bad LEO Encounter last night
Thanks for the comments guys, I did praise the second officer before complaining about the first, oh and I forgot to mention that the first officer didn't even give his name or badge number, while the second one did. Had I been present, I would have asked what his name and badge number were, and informed him on the spot that his supervisor was going to recieve a call, right before asking him to leave my property and not return, and warning him that a 2a/4a lawsuit would not be sell recieved by his chief. I was REALLY riled up last night, but luckily, instead of calling direct to the PD, I called dispatch and had the Sarge call me back, which gave me a few minutes to calm down. I'm thinking I may just let it all go, or I may call back to talk to the supervisor in a day or two to see what came of it. I truly don't expect a callback on it, but if I do get one, it's that much better! On another note, I spoke extensively with my neighbor this afternoon, because she happened to be outside when all of this was going on, and helped to return the dogs that the first officer let out of the house (not his fault). It just so happens that her son's Boy Scout leader is the Chief of Police (unbeknownst to me) and she told me that she was appalled at how that officer acted. She said that she had already decided to ask the Chief about that situation tonight at their weekly meeting! She and her husband are kinda pro RKBA I learned today! Maybe I'll recieve a call from the Chief himself, but who knows, it's a department with about 150 patrol officers, plus detectives and admin staff, so he's somewhat distanced from his front line officers as I understand it.
I do understand the idea that maybe he was involved with a child injury caused by an unattended firearm, however, we have no children, just the 3 dogs, and anytime friends with kids come over, the FIRST thing I do is lock up all the guns.
I do understand the idea that maybe he was involved with a child injury caused by an unattended firearm, however, we have no children, just the 3 dogs, and anytime friends with kids come over, the FIRST thing I do is lock up all the guns.
- Mon May 18, 2009 1:32 pm
- Forum: LEO Contacts & Bloopers
- Topic: Bad LEO Encounter last night
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Bad LEO Encounter last night
First a little background: Some of you may know that I am a Peace Officer, but since I only work on fire/arson related cases, I sometimes miss a few new laws, but usually none that pertain to weapons/2A rights.
I was working at the FD last night and my better half was at the home of some of our friends for a BBQ. When she returned home at about 8:30 last night, she walked in the front door and was greeted by our Lab, Golden Retriever and Jack Russell, all of whom were outside when she left. She made it about 3 steps inside and realized the back sliding glass door was wide open, and she remembered closing it before she left. She got scared and backed out of the house, called me, then called the PD to have an officer come by to clear the residence since I was unable to leave the station. The dispatcher told her to wait in her car with the doors locked and asked how many and what types of weapons were in the house. She told the dispatcher what weapons were present, where they were and which ones were loaded. First officer shows up about 20 minutes later, makes contact, then makes entry, followed by a second officer a short time later. After they cleared the house, the second officer was telling her it was clear and nothing to worry about, trying to figure out how that door got opened etc. Generally being what I call a good cop, even tried to help her cope with the stress of the situation. Then, the first cop that showed up, came up to her and started in, lecturing, and had her in tears before he left. When she called me back to tell me that everything checked out okay and nothing was missing, she was bawling, so naturally I asked why and she told me that the officer had lectured her. I asked about what and she said that he "found" our handguns, one in each nightstand, loaded, holstered with flashlights right next to them. I said, "So what? I have the right to have a loaded weapon in my house." She then said that he yelled at her (enough to make my Lab, the most loving, playful, friendly dog on the planet, stand between her and the officer and growl/bark) and that he threatened that if he ever came back to our house and found loaded weapons unsecured, that he would take them and I would have to pick them up at the evidence room, then meet with the Chief of Police!
I WISH I had been present! But I was not, so I ended up calling dispatch and having his supervisor call me back. I explained the situation, and told him that the officer had threatened to confiscate my weapons, then told him that I didn't think that was legal, his reply was, "NO SIR, IT''S NOT! I'll get to the bottom of this right away!" "Thanks, that's all I needed to hear, have a great evening Sarge."
Now, after thinking about it, I was torn about whether to file a formal complaint or not, but have decided to let it go unless I hear further from him. On the other hand, I just wonder what the NRA would have to say about this incident, and what they would say had he actually confiscated my weapons. Any thoughts guys?
I was working at the FD last night and my better half was at the home of some of our friends for a BBQ. When she returned home at about 8:30 last night, she walked in the front door and was greeted by our Lab, Golden Retriever and Jack Russell, all of whom were outside when she left. She made it about 3 steps inside and realized the back sliding glass door was wide open, and she remembered closing it before she left. She got scared and backed out of the house, called me, then called the PD to have an officer come by to clear the residence since I was unable to leave the station. The dispatcher told her to wait in her car with the doors locked and asked how many and what types of weapons were in the house. She told the dispatcher what weapons were present, where they were and which ones were loaded. First officer shows up about 20 minutes later, makes contact, then makes entry, followed by a second officer a short time later. After they cleared the house, the second officer was telling her it was clear and nothing to worry about, trying to figure out how that door got opened etc. Generally being what I call a good cop, even tried to help her cope with the stress of the situation. Then, the first cop that showed up, came up to her and started in, lecturing, and had her in tears before he left. When she called me back to tell me that everything checked out okay and nothing was missing, she was bawling, so naturally I asked why and she told me that the officer had lectured her. I asked about what and she said that he "found" our handguns, one in each nightstand, loaded, holstered with flashlights right next to them. I said, "So what? I have the right to have a loaded weapon in my house." She then said that he yelled at her (enough to make my Lab, the most loving, playful, friendly dog on the planet, stand between her and the officer and growl/bark) and that he threatened that if he ever came back to our house and found loaded weapons unsecured, that he would take them and I would have to pick them up at the evidence room, then meet with the Chief of Police!
I WISH I had been present! But I was not, so I ended up calling dispatch and having his supervisor call me back. I explained the situation, and told him that the officer had threatened to confiscate my weapons, then told him that I didn't think that was legal, his reply was, "NO SIR, IT''S NOT! I'll get to the bottom of this right away!" "Thanks, that's all I needed to hear, have a great evening Sarge."
Now, after thinking about it, I was torn about whether to file a formal complaint or not, but have decided to let it go unless I hear further from him. On the other hand, I just wonder what the NRA would have to say about this incident, and what they would say had he actually confiscated my weapons. Any thoughts guys?