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cyphur wrote: I don't want anyone who doesn't shoot regularly, and has had some sort of action training(whether its SWAT, MOUT, CQC, etc) to be shooting a gun in an airplane.

However, I do think having some sort of civilian certified force allowed to carry on airplanes would be a wonderful idea. Have a 1 week course for folks, get them up to speed on the variables and situational differences in an airplane, et cetera, almost like a mini-FAM course. I don't think that will ever happen, but thats about as close to civilian's carry in planes as I want.

I happen to agree. Why is it that I must make this my job, my living, before I am trusted to carry on an airplane to ensure its security? Why isn't it possible for some other citizen to take the same training, to pass the same background checks, to pass the same proficiency checks, be allowed to do this? I would do this for FREE! I would spend my own money to get to the training, to take the tests, to maintain proficiency. And in return, when I travel on an airplane I will be packing and I will be vigilant. And I will not charge Uncle Sam for the service. Why is it that I must take a cut in pay and do this for a living every day before I am trusted to do this? Why?

hirundo82 wrote:The team I was rooting for lost, and I felt no compulsion, or even the slightest desire, to draw and gun down either the umpires or the other team.
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Can anyone come up with a good reason why sporting events should be off limits?

Your first comment reminds me of a pro-gun quip something like "60 million gun owners behaved peacefully yesterday".

As to why they should be off limits, I think one example might be the "hockey dad" who killed another parent in the stands during his son's game. Yes, I realize this is not professional, but it illustrates the reasoning.

Let me state the general--places that could conceivably be off limits to carry would be the ones where otherwise peaceful law abiding citizens (you know, the ones that actually qualify for a CHL), might "lose it" and have their first error in judgment that results in a crime.

Places where I can see otherwise reasonable people turn into total jerks with complete loss of rational thinking include: druken or drugged people, fanatics at professional sporting events, and people involved in court proceedings (especially divorce court!).

Please don't flame me to badly on this one. I am not urging or recommending CHL off-limits here, I am merely acknowledging that there is some rationale to it. I personally think it should be the act itself that is illegal, not possessing a convenient means to commit an illegal act. That said, I would hate to see our many free states lose access to their carry rights because of these types of incidents (should they actually occur).

Places that DON'T qualify in my books include schools, amusement parks, churhes, polling places, near death chambers, etc. (Yes, I know some of these are legal know, but they were not at one point.)

Just a thought.

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