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03Lightningrocks wrote:

jmra wrote:

PUCKER wrote:

jmra wrote:

PUCKER wrote:What's that little ole verse from the Very Good Book?

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone..." (I'm sure a theologian will come along and provide the exact wording, chapter and verse soon)

I cannot cast any stones.

I couldn't hit the side of a barn with a stone. But, I did shoot a tight group with my new XDs yesterday.

On a serious note;
The verse you reference was Jesus talking to a group of men who were about to kill a woman for sleeping with men she wasn't married to. More than likely some of the men about to stone her were the very men she slept with.
The implication here is that these men were about to stone the woman for doing exactly the same thing they were accusing her of.

This doesn't mean that because you lied when you were 12 about breaking a window that you couldn't call out a guy for driving while intoxicated. That would be a total misapplication of the lesson being taught. Otherwise we as parents would not be justified in correcting our children when they commit the same offenses we committed as children. This of course is not what the scripture teaches at all.

I do remember the verse and context, thank you for the refresher though.

You're welcome.

I don't really have an opinion here. I just saw all the and wanted to get my in on the chain.

PUCKER wrote:

jmra wrote:

PUCKER wrote:What's that little ole verse from the Very Good Book?

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone..." (I'm sure a theologian will come along and provide the exact wording, chapter and verse soon)

I cannot cast any stones.

I couldn't hit the side of a barn with a stone. But, I did shoot a tight group with my new XDs yesterday.

On a serious note;
The verse you reference was Jesus talking to a group of men who were about to kill a woman for sleeping with men she wasn't married to. More than likely some of the men about to stone her were the very men she slept with.
The implication here is that these men were about to stone the woman for doing exactly the same thing they were accusing her of.

This doesn't mean that because you lied when you were 12 about breaking a window that you couldn't call out a guy for driving while intoxicated. That would be a total misapplication of the lesson being taught. Otherwise we as parents would not be justified in correcting our children when they commit the same offenses we committed as children. This of course is not what the scripture teaches at all.

I do remember the verse and context, thank you for the refresher though.

PUCKER wrote:What's that little ole verse from the Very Good Book?

"Let he who is without sin cast the first stone..." (I'm sure a theologian will come along and provide the exact wording, chapter and verse soon)

I cannot cast any stones.

flechero wrote:jmra,

If you are suggesting that you have never broken a single law, well, I'll just agree to disagree. For the record, I never condoned any misbehaving nor did I say everyone has a criminal record (which was actually part of my original point)... I did say I think that everyone has committed a crime (some minor and some major) in their lifetime so if you never got caught, you can be proud of the fact that you were LUCKY, not good.

You point out that you don't hit in anger... as if to suggest my involvement in an altercation might be anything other than defensive? (I also have not hit anyone in anger since about Jr. high) That's rich. [sarcasm]

I'm out, this is going nowhere.

RX8er wrote:I have stayed out of this for some time now because I don't think any positions will be changed. Is there a difference between forgive and forget? When do we forgive someone for their actions? I do think it is kind of funny that we have some Sunday morning folks that seem to not want to do either. I think there is some book that talks about this right? Take CHL out of the discussion; I think it is silly that something someone does years ago can still haunt them today. Not everything and all cases but should exist a method at which you can truly remove history.

As others have pointed out, this is only recent that this has happened this way. When I was a kid, I used to make my own fire crackers, big ones!! I had a cop tell me that fireworks were illegal to light in the city and I stopped and then he proceeded to tell my mom and dad. Today, I would be arrested and the ATF be called. Here are few examples of why our forever system is broken:

I have a friend who was arrested because he had a baseball bat, glove and two balls in his truck. The bat was a weapon. Albeit, my friend was being a jerk to the cop and is why the cop arrested.
I know a sex offender because he and his girlfriend had sex when he was 17 and she was 16. Dad of daughter has since apologized. Has a record for ever though and he is married to the same girl.
I interviewed a guy that had MIP arrest when he was 20 y/o and had 0% BAC.
I know an honor student that was arrested and jailed because he had 30 30 ammunition (no rifle) left in his truck after he went hunting. On school property.
I know a good kid arrested because he had a knife in his car on school property.

There are very few people in this world that have not broken a law that you could have been arrested for. I'm not saying convicted, but arrested and a record for life.

Here is one example that I can say you can be arrested for and have a felony conviction for in Texas that many of you are doing today. All children more than 40 pounds, ages 4 through 8, must ride in a booster seat while a vehicle is moving. Children taller than 4 feet 9, however, are not required to be secured in booster seats. You can be arrested for Child Endangerment and charged with a felony. Any of you parents / grandparents fall in to this category? Don't think this is possible?

It happened in Trinity, Texas if I'm not mistaken and I remember reading about other cases as well when I was reading about this one.

You really think you should loose your ability to have a Gun or CHL because you didn't put your 4'8" grandson in a booster seat while taking him to the park and get ice cream.

alvins wrote:you guys sound like a buncha old people sitting around complaining about how it should be rather then how it is.lol

flechero wrote:

jmra wrote:

flechero wrote:Not to pick on anyone in particular, this was just the most recent post I copied from....

Hard for me to sympathize with those who have made "bad" choices.

I worked very hard my entire life to maintain my reputation. Many times I left the "party" early while I was sober enough ......

Sounds like this poster was just lucky and didn't get caught. He could very easily have been the "OP" in one of these threads.

We all have broken the law, at some point in time... Good fortune in the past does not make a person "responsible" today. I did get caught when I was young, luckily it was something minor enough that is hasn't haunted me very often.

Nope, luck had nothing to do with it. I simply did not allow myself to be put in situations that would have allowed me to become the OP of one of these threads.
People act like they have no control over what happens to them. Well I'm here to tell you that it is not physically possible to get into a bar fight if you don't go to bars.
We may not always be able to control the things that happen around us but we can always control how we choose to react to those things. The OPs of these threads weren't unlucky, they simply decided to make poor choices.

I might add that I had another motivating factor in keeping my nose clean. My father has been a minister my entire life. I knew throughout my childhood and as a young adult that my behavior would impact how people perceived not only me but also my father. My father not only pastored a church but also worked several other jobs in order to support our family. I had the upmost respect for him and would never have done anything to dishonor him.

The "sober enough" comment was not a specific reference to alcohol (as i rarely drank) but rather a reference to my thought process and mindset.

Great example, glad you picked it! I actually was pulled into a bar fight that started outside the bar. (I was simply a pedestrian leaving a restaurant) Through nothing but poor timing, there I was. If it weren't for my good fortune of some witnesses that stuck around, I might not have walked away free that night.
I have not lifted a hand in anger to anyone since grade school.

Ever had a beer or 2 and then drive home
No

flechero wrote:Not to pick on anyone in particular, this was just the most recent post I copied from....

Hard for me to sympathize with those who have made "bad" choices.

I worked very hard my entire life to maintain my reputation. Many times I left the "party" early while I was sober enough ......

Sounds like this poster was just lucky and didn't get caught. He could very easily have been the "OP" in one of these threads.

We all have broken the law, at some point in time... Good fortune in the past does not make a person "responsible" today. I did get caught when I was young, luckily it was something minor enough that is hasn't haunted me very often.