I disagree with the criteria you have stipulated.texanjoker wrote:RX8er wrote:It's not Texas but you could translate the number over to any major city and expect similar results.texanjoker wrote:JKTex wrote:I fixed that for you.texanjoker wrote:In reality any stats that matter IMO would be if a gun was involved. If they were not, then at that time they were just joe the plumber vs joe the chl holder.
The point is, overall CHL's are less likely to commit crime than just about any other segment of society, even Law Enforcement. When you look at relevant crimes, where guns are used, it's even smaller, by a long shot.
If you are going to bring LEO's into this, post the proof. I have read Charles post that as well, but he won't post the stats he uses to justify it. If there is a new thread with those stats let me know. I am most interested in the LEO's if they are on or off duty incidents, but that is another topic.
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I'm sure I will get beaten because it is NYC and not Dallas or Houston or Austin.
This is also a good article that I'm pretty sure you have read.
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I think if you read the headlines of the papers from the cities, you will find you answer to your question but not the numbers. I think that is like asking a congressman to keep stats on how many of their own have committed crimes or asking the fox just how many chickens he's eaten. It ain't gonna happen.
Sorry but you have to show stats from TX. I keep reading people trying to compare chl vs leo in stats, but none are produced. The only real stat IMO would be same state, and incidents involving both chl/leo on gun related charges. The LEO stat would also need to be for off duty incidents only, as leo's get charged in on duty shootings and those are scope of employment which a chl would not have a comparison. I think the point of these stat posts is to show chl are good guys and there is no dispute. The antis want to paint us (I have one as well) as bad. Show incidents involving guns. Anybody can get a dwi, but if a chl or leo wasn't carrying a gun the I would ask what does that have to do with people carrying guns?
AH think of this. For those of us LEO's that maintain a CHL, we could be a negative stat for both sides if we did something
The purpose of the comparison is in response to those who believe that only police can be trusted with guns. The statistics show that CHL holders are just as trustworthy as police. The numbers speak to character. We, along with the general public, know that the vast majority of police forces are made up of men and women of outstanding character. The comparison shows the general public that CHLs have an equivalent character.
The reason Chas has given in the past, IIRC, for not making the actual numbers public is to prevent people from using the data to critize police as that is not and never was the intent of the comparison.
