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Dreamer42 wrote:jmra, That's my point. How many fires each year are there in a school (especially modern buildings made of steel and concrete and stone)? How much more common are shootings in schools in the last 20 years? Don't tell me you're serious about keeping kids safe when you are unwilling to SECURE the building. If not keys, then what? I don't see realistic plans being discussed (not here, but at our district) so we'll just get lip service until, unfortunately, more of this suffering is seen again.

VoiceofReason wrote:- Dreamer42

nightmare wrote:

jmra wrote:

nightmare wrote:

jmra wrote:Doesn't matter how many teachers you have in a hall with keys, fire code will not allow you to lock an exit so that a key is required to get out of the building. Those Fire Marshal guidelines for exits are not that old. I guarantee you have a much greater chance of that locked exit resulting in injury to a child than you do of having an active shooter on your campus.

That's true but some people want to save children while others want to sacrifice those children on their Anti-2A altar.

Well, I'm all for saving children and I for sure don't have an Anti-2A alter. I'm simply stating that possibly preventing escape from a fire because of a locked door is not progressive thinking in keeping our children safe.

I was agreeing with you but cynically thinking the politicians who want to prevent students from fleeing might have an ulterior motive. We know from F&F that the current administration doesn't mind innocents being slaughtered if that might advance their agenda.

nightmare wrote:

jmra wrote:Doesn't matter how many teachers you have in a hall with keys, fire code will not allow you to lock an exit so that a key is required to get out of the building. Those Fire Marshal guidelines for exits are not that old. I guarantee you have a much greater chance of that locked exit resulting in injury to a child than you do of having an active shooter on your campus.

That's true but some people want to save children while others want to sacrifice those children on their Anti-2A altar.

Dreamer42 wrote:I'm encouraged by many comments. As a teacher I have spoken to my Superintendent, also. One thing that really bothers me is that here at the HS where I teach students routinely have to go to other buildings on campus, so the door security is pretty non-existent. They recently added a double entry to the front doors, but all a BG has to do is stand at one of the side doors, pound on the glass a while, an I'll bet my next paycheck that a student will eagerly open the door for them. To be serious about this threat, I suggested to the Sup that ALL doors be locked from the inside and out.
Replace the teachers' door keys with a master that opens the doors at the end of the halls. In case of a fire, you'll still have 12 - 30 teachers in any given hall with a key to let students out. By locking doors from the inside and out - and posting parent volunteers as security to monitor the doors that are used - the instance of a BG gaining entry is severely diminished.
I'm sure other districts/campuses are different, but we must allow the school to control safety, not decades old fire marshal guidelines.

- Dreamer42