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KRM45 wrote:As a leo, and chl holder, I have carried in every gun show I have been to for the past 7 years. I've never felt the need to remove my loaded weapon from my holster to show or do anything. I have also never "inadvertently" shot anyone or anything.

Sure, my training exceeds the minimum required for a chl, but many people choose to exceed this minimum amount too. What really makes it safer for me to do it, but not others?

olafpfj wrote:

jmra wrote:None of these were CHL related. If you have any links you would like to share that lend credence to your fear of pending disaster by CHLs at gun shows, please share. Perhaps you will convert someone.

Fair enough point.

However...Since most gun shows in Texas are posted, (Actually I have been to a number of shows that were not posted, was at one just yesterday that was not posted) it would be illegal for a CHL holder to carry there (as another poster stated, 30.06 signs at shows on city owned property per law are not enforceable) and since we are such a law abiding lot (Statistically much more law abiding than LEO, have any issues with LEO carrying at gun show?)there should be exactly 0 CHL incidents. I know...this rebuttal is pretty weak sauce ( ) but it's the best snarky response I could think of

As long as shows continue to be posted we will never know if the rarity of ND's at gunshows is due to people being on the ball or because the 30.06 is keeping the risk down. We certainly know that gun laws in general do nothing to prevent crime as the most restrictive areas tend to be the most violent. For all we know CC at a show isn't a problem and may be going on quite a lot since concealed means concealed. (Something we agree on) I was really just trying to point out that I don't understand why some feel a gunshows "hot/cold" policy is somehow not relevant to safety when it is accepted as fundamental at other very similar events with similar safety concerns. (All of the "other events" you mentioned involve an activity where people are not merely carrying weapons, they are shooting them. This is very much an apples and oranges comparison.) I guess some people don't see the similarities that I see. (As I just stated, there's very good reason for that).

Anyway, I agree with the policy at shows but please don't anyone misconstrue that I would advocate the government telling us what to do. I think the show organizers hide behind the 30.06 to keep their hands clean while they would have the same policy regardless of the law. (Based on what? Your own fears?)

As always...I will defend your right to disagree. I am far more libertarian than I seem to be coming across in this thread.

Wes wrote:Let me look out for myself, I don't need someone else to do it.

olafpfj wrote:I still don't understand the problem people have with not being allowed to carry a LOADED gun at a gun show. We, as responsible and safe gun owners, jump on any story about someone showing their "unloaded" gun to someone when it just "accidentally" went off. The potential for an accident when there are thousands of firearms being handled by thousands of people in a small confined space is huge!!

The biggest most important rule that was beat into my head when I got my NRA basic pistol cert. was that there is NO LIVE AMMO ANYWHERE IN THE ROOM...PERIOD!!!

We post on this forum all the time advising new owners to make sure you don't have any ammo out when cleaning your firearms. We jump all over videos slamming the hubris of an "only one" doing a demo to some school kids and firing off a round. We decry the idiots who can't help themselves and show off their guns to someone without clearing it resulting in the expected ND. Yet somehow many seem to think that a basic firearm safety point should be suspended at a gun show where the potential for mistakes is extremely high. Just take a look around when you're there and see how many violations of the basic 4 rules you see. Muzzle sweeps, fingers on triggers, assuming the guns are unloaded without checking but it's just fine to introduce a loaded gun somewhere in the mix? Having the attitude of "Oh sure I wouldn't ever pull mine out of the holster because I'm not that dumb", is just asking for trouble. Can you really say you've never drawn your loaded carry gun to look at it and you'll remember every single time over the course of your life not to do it at a gun show when shopping and handling guns? Do you trust others to be as awesome at not doing dumb things as yourself?

The 30.06 signs (leave the city owned building aspect out of it) force people to toe the line on a basic fundamental safety standard. When handling or displaying firearms anywhere other than a range, they should be unloaded and all ammo locked up. Why many don't think this should apply to a gun show is beyond me. It seems so obvious to me, that is the one place where that safety standard should be rigidly enforced!!! I know many CHL instructors have a don't ask don't tell policy regarding concealed carry in their classes (obviously I'm talking about renewals) but it's pretty easy to spot an infraction in a small class setting. How on earth could you possibly spot someone being dumb at a gun show?!!!

Don't be hypocritical and declare yourself an "only one" safe and responsible enough to carry a loaded gun into a gun show.

If you're super paranoid about being robbed between the hall and your car ask yourself how many parking lot robberies have occurred at gun shows...anyone, anyone....Bueller

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Sorry if I've offended anyone it's just a real pet peeve of mine...

Wes wrote:Yes, because they don't sell ammo at the gun show.