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RPBrown wrote:...Abraham snip...
if a business owner has posted 30.06, I also feel that the business should be held accountable should someone get hurt in a shooting, stabbing or any other illegal venue, if a person could have defended themselves by having a CHL.
100%.No, but the barn door on that one was left open a long time ago.SewTexas wrote:jmra wrote:You bet me to it Bill.WildBill wrote:I don't want to hijack the thread, but:Russell wrote:jmra wrote:If you refuse to bake that cake you better be prepared to spend a lot of money on lawyers - not saying I believe you should have to bake the cake, just stating reality.SewTexas wrote:If I own the store I should be able to manage my store the way I want to
Let me put it this way......
why putting up a sign refusing entry to CHL holders any different than refusing to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple? A business owner should be able to decide who they want to do business with based on my beliefs.
There more than likely would not be any lawyers involved. Sexual orientation is not a protected class.
DENVER—A baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex ceremony must serve gay couples despite his religious beliefs or face fines, a judge said Friday.
The order from administrative law judge Robert N. Spencer said Masterpiece Cakeshop in suburban Denver discriminated against a couple "because of their sexual orientation by refusing to sell them a wedding cake for their same-sex marriage."
The order says the cake-maker must "cease and desist from discriminating" against gay couples. Although the judge did not impose fines in this case, the business will face penalties if it continues to turn away gay couples who want to buy cakes
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I understand all that...doesn't mean it's right and doesn't mean most of us agree with it. Would you, if you were a business owner want the government telling you who you had to do business with and how?
You bet me to it Bill.WildBill wrote:I don't want to hijack the thread, but:Russell wrote:jmra wrote:If you refuse to bake that cake you better be prepared to spend a lot of money on lawyers - not saying I believe you should have to bake the cake, just stating reality.SewTexas wrote:If I own the store I should be able to manage my store the way I want to
Let me put it this way......
why putting up a sign refusing entry to CHL holders any different than refusing to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple? A business owner should be able to decide who they want to do business with based on my beliefs.
There more than likely would not be any lawyers involved. Sexual orientation is not a protected class.
DENVER—A baker who refused to make a wedding cake for a same-sex ceremony must serve gay couples despite his religious beliefs or face fines, a judge said Friday.
The order from administrative law judge Robert N. Spencer said Masterpiece Cakeshop in suburban Denver discriminated against a couple "because of their sexual orientation by refusing to sell them a wedding cake for their same-sex marriage."
The order says the cake-maker must "cease and desist from discriminating" against gay couples. Although the judge did not impose fines in this case, the business will face penalties if it continues to turn away gay couples who want to buy cakes
Read more: Judge orders Colo. cake-maker to serve gay couples - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24672 ... z2rQoIWM00" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_24672 ... ay-couples" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
WildBill wrote:android - Very good and thoughtful post.android wrote:I used to believe that "business" could do whatever it wants on private property, but after a lot of thought, I have decided that is an anarchistic position that has no place in civilized society.
WildBill wrote:Businesses are not and can not criminalize legal carry.Dragonfighter wrote:should not be able to criminalize the legal carry
What they are doing by posting a 30.06 sign is preventing trespass of certain individuals to their place of business.
Your right to entry to a public place of business in not unfettered.
You may not like the reason that they would deny you entrance, but it still may be a valid reason in the eyes of the business owner.
It is up to him to decide if the reason is valid, not you.
under current law. I assumed (perhaps incorrectly) that the OP was suggesting a change in the law. Ultimately I believe the law should be changed to allow CHL to carry anywhere an off duty LEO can carry.If you refuse to bake that cake you better be prepared to spend a lot of money on lawyers - not saying I believe you should have to bake the cake, just stating reality.SewTexas wrote:If I own the store I should be able to manage my store the way I want to
Let me put it this way......
why putting up a sign refusing entry to CHL holders any different than refusing to bake a wedding cake for a gay couple? A business owner should be able to decide who they want to do business with based on my beliefs.