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srothstein wrote:

WildBill wrote:Actually, I believe it is a constitutional right to travel [on a public road], but the darn courts have overruled me.

Lats time I did any research on this (and it has been a long while), the courts did find that the right to travel was inherent in the Constitution. This also meant that riding a bicycle was a protected activity since the means of travel must be protected if the right to travel is.

WildBill wrote:

jmra wrote:

MaxBerlin wrote:A cyclist on a roadway is exercising his Constitutional rights just as we CHL holders are.

It would be nice if narrow aim didn't so often coincide with 'narrow minded'.

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I just read thru the constitution and I didn't see any mention of bicycles. I do not believe a bicyclist has a constitutional right to ride on a roadway designed for the horseless carriage. I think people often confuse a legal activity with a constitutional right.

Actually, I believe it is a constitutional right to travel [on a public road], but the darn courts have overruled me.

MaxBerlin wrote:A cyclist on a roadway is exercising his Constitutional rights just as we CHL holders are.

It would be nice if narrow aim didn't so often coincide with 'narrow minded'.

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gringo pistolero wrote:

jmra wrote:

android wrote:YOU are the most important person in the country and the rest of us should never forget that.

Actually it has nothing whatsoever to do with me.

However, it does sound like the attitude of someone who mounts a 3 foot horizontal pole on his vehicle.

android wrote:

jmra wrote:

android wrote:

jmra wrote:Will get flamed for this but IMHO bicycles do not belong on most roadways. There should be a minimum speed requirement for all roadways. The vehicle you are operating should be able to consistently maintain that speed. If it can't it doesn't belong on the road.
It amazes me that we don't let dirt bikes, ATVs, and gas powered golf carts use roadways but we let 12 year olds on bicycles on the roads. Simply doesn't make any sense.

Yes, the right of the people to never be inconvenienced, especially on the road, was a gross oversight on the part of the founding fathers.

They should have also made it a right to never have to stand in line or wait for people to cross the street.

YOU are the most important person in the country and the rest of us should never forget that.

Actually it has nothing whatsoever to do with me. My concern was for the safety of the guy getting scraped off the side of the road. But to each his own.
BTW, your sarcasm needs some work.

Well, then using that logic, we should all be driving 18 wheelers since they can destroy pickup trucks, pickup trucks can destroy sedans and sedans can destroy Minis and Smart Cars and they can destroy motorcycles and bicycles.

OR, people could just pay attention.

Just like gun control, it's not really about safety, it's just an excuse to try to try and prevent others from doing things you don't like.

android wrote:

jmra wrote:Will get flamed for this but IMHO bicycles do not belong on most roadways. There should be a minimum speed requirement for all roadways. The vehicle you are operating should be able to consistently maintain that speed. If it can't it doesn't belong on the road.
It amazes me that we don't let dirt bikes, ATVs, and gas powered golf carts use roadways but we let 12 year olds on bicycles on the roads. Simply doesn't make any sense.

Yes, the right of the people to never be inconvenienced, especially on the road, was a gross oversight on the part of the founding fathers.

They should have also made it a right to never have to stand in line or wait for people to cross the street.

YOU are the most important person in the country and the rest of us should never forget that.

JP171 wrote:

poppo wrote:

JR's 12 Valve wrote:A lot of folks bike for a hobby, I say go for it ... but stay the heck off the highway. I personally believe they should leave their riding to suburban neighborhoods, dedicated bike paths, or at least roads with very little traffic on it.

It doesn't make much sense for someone to ride a 6lb piece of steel, while just about every other moving object on the road weighs in excess of 4,000 lbs, and is moving at about 55 MPH.

Out where I live the two lane FM road is 70mph and there is maybe a half foot of shoulder. Bikes should not be on that road, but yet they always are. And it would be impossible to give them 3 feet of space when that would put you into oncoming 70mph traffic. Luckily we don't have that stupid buffer ordinance here.

I'm not against people riding bikes, but there are plenty of places to ride other than on a 70mph road. As much as I hate gravel trucks too, I always get a chuckle when they pass the bikes and give them a good "sand blasting".

JM, JR and Poppo, does that mean those of us that have a 400 lb vehicle should yield or give right of way to you cagers too???? if so, umm hmm well get in the ring, and if you don't know the song look it up. Its real simple bicycles have the same rights to the road as automobiles and every other vehicle, don't like it move someplace that the communists control life and don't allow it. oh that's right just wait for a few more years and we'll be there in this country. I don't condone bicycles or motorcycles acting a fool but cagers are haters when it comes to bikes of any kind no matter be it motor driven or not and think like JMRA " those darn things don't belong on the road" and "were bigger so we will do what ever we want to them". This kind of attitude sickens me, I think ALL persons that have a drivers license should have to go thru a 2 year motorcycle/moped requirement before being allowed to operate a vehicle over 1000 lbs PERIOD!

JR's 12 Valve wrote:A lot of folks bike for a hobby, I say go for it ... but stay the heck off the highway. I personally believe they should leave their riding to suburban neighborhoods, dedicated bike paths, or at least roads with very little traffic on it.

It doesn't make much sense for someone to ride a 6lb piece of steel, while just about every other moving object on the road weighs in excess of 4,000 lbs, and is moving at about 55 MPH.

WildBill wrote:

jmra wrote:

WildBill wrote:

jmra wrote:

WildBill wrote:

jmra wrote:

WildBill wrote:It didn't see this story when it happened. This is one of the cases that lead to passing the Houston Ordinance.

League City police say tipsters have identified a driver possibly involved in hit-and-run incident that took the life of yet another area cyclist.

Kevin Ronald Munson was struck around 2:30 a.m. early Thursday morning as he cycled along the 1900 block of East Marina Bay Drive, roughly a mile west of the Kemah Boardwalk area. Emergency officials — who were contacted by a witness at the scene — rushed the 45-year-old victim to Clear Lake Region Hospital with serious head injuries. Munson was pronounced dead soon thereafter.

Surveillance shows a woman removing a large piece of wreckage from her sedan.

Investigators released surveillance footage from a guard shack of the Waterford Harbor gated community, located next to the crash site. Recorded just after the accident, the video shows a woman and a security guard removing a large piece of wreckage from the front wheel of a grey, four-door sedan. The woman tosses the piece in her car and drives away.

http://houston.culturemap.com/news/city ... -cyclists/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nothing good happens on the highway at 2:30am.

The driver of the vehicle is an RN. She could have just gotten off work. If so, how ironic.

It would be, however, 2:30 am would not be the proper timeline for most shift work at hospitals (source - wife, who has been a RN for 24 years and currently runs several nursing departments). More likely she had been off work for several hours and stopped somewhere to "unwind" before heading home.

You could be correct. There hasn't been much new information since the arrest.

Also thought it was interesting that the damage to the car in the video was to the drivers side. I would have expected it to be on the passenger side.

Left turn?

WildBill wrote:

jmra wrote:

WildBill wrote:

jmra wrote:

WildBill wrote:It didn't see this story when it happened. This is one of the cases that lead to passing the Houston Ordinance.

League City police say tipsters have identified a driver possibly involved in hit-and-run incident that took the life of yet another area cyclist.

Kevin Ronald Munson was struck around 2:30 a.m. early Thursday morning as he cycled along the 1900 block of East Marina Bay Drive, roughly a mile west of the Kemah Boardwalk area. Emergency officials — who were contacted by a witness at the scene — rushed the 45-year-old victim to Clear Lake Region Hospital with serious head injuries. Munson was pronounced dead soon thereafter.

Surveillance shows a woman removing a large piece of wreckage from her sedan.

Investigators released surveillance footage from a guard shack of the Waterford Harbor gated community, located next to the crash site. Recorded just after the accident, the video shows a woman and a security guard removing a large piece of wreckage from the front wheel of a grey, four-door sedan. The woman tosses the piece in her car and drives away.

http://houston.culturemap.com/news/city ... -cyclists/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nothing good happens on the highway at 2:30am.

The driver of the vehicle is an RN. She could have just gotten off work. If so, how ironic.

It would be, however, 2:30 am would not be the proper timeline for most shift work at hospitals (source - wife, who has been a RN for 24 years and currently runs several nursing departments). More likely she had been off work for several hours and stopped somewhere to "unwind" before heading home.

You could be correct. There hasn't been much new information since the arrest.

WildBill wrote:

jmra wrote:

WildBill wrote:It didn't see this story when it happened. This is one of the cases that lead to passing the Houston Ordinance.

League City police say tipsters have identified a driver possibly involved in hit-and-run incident that took the life of yet another area cyclist.

Kevin Ronald Munson was struck around 2:30 a.m. early Thursday morning as he cycled along the 1900 block of East Marina Bay Drive, roughly a mile west of the Kemah Boardwalk area. Emergency officials — who were contacted by a witness at the scene — rushed the 45-year-old victim to Clear Lake Region Hospital with serious head injuries. Munson was pronounced dead soon thereafter.

Surveillance shows a woman removing a large piece of wreckage from her sedan.

Investigators released surveillance footage from a guard shack of the Waterford Harbor gated community, located next to the crash site. Recorded just after the accident, the video shows a woman and a security guard removing a large piece of wreckage from the front wheel of a grey, four-door sedan. The woman tosses the piece in her car and drives away.

http://houston.culturemap.com/news/city ... -cyclists/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nothing good happens on the highway at 2:30am.

The driver of the vehicle is an RN. She could have just gotten off work. If so, how ironic.

WildBill wrote:It didn't see this story when it happened. This is one of the cases that lead to passing the Houston Ordinance.

League City police say tipsters have identified a driver possibly involved in hit-and-run incident that took the life of yet another area cyclist.

Kevin Ronald Munson was struck around 2:30 a.m. early Thursday morning as he cycled along the 1900 block of East Marina Bay Drive, roughly a mile west of the Kemah Boardwalk area. Emergency officials — who were contacted by a witness at the scene — rushed the 45-year-old victim to Clear Lake Region Hospital with serious head injuries. Munson was pronounced dead soon thereafter.

Surveillance shows a woman removing a large piece of wreckage from her sedan.

Investigators released surveillance footage from a guard shack of the Waterford Harbor gated community, located next to the crash site. Recorded just after the accident, the video shows a woman and a security guard removing a large piece of wreckage from the front wheel of a grey, four-door sedan. The woman tosses the piece in her car and drives away.

http://houston.culturemap.com/news/city ... -cyclists/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;