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mr1337 wrote:

jmra wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I've been occupied all day and most of yesterday and missed what happened. I take it that campus carry passed? What are the opt-in/out provisions in the new law?

University president compiles a list of buildings off limits and reason why. List is submitted to board of regents who can override with a 2/3 vote. List is submitted to legislative committee. Evidently the committee doesn't have much power other than reporting to the body any disapproval at which time a bill could be submitted to tighten up loopholes.
Legislative intent is that a defacto ban can not be created by the president and that there must be a specific reason for making a building or portion of a building off limits. Off limit buildings would be posted 30.06 but penalties for violation are much stronger than 30.06.
Private universities can opt out completely but not sure of the process for doing so.

Private universities may simply place 30.06 signs to opt out.

The Annoyed Man wrote:

jmra wrote:

The Annoyed Man wrote:I've been occupied all day and most of yesterday and missed what happened. I take it that campus carry passed? What are the opt-in/out provisions in the new law?

University president compiles a list of buildings off limits and reason why. List is submitted to board of regents who can override with a 2/3 vote. List is submitted to legislative committee. Evidently the committee doesn't have much power other than reporting to the body any disapproval at which time a bill could be submitted to tighten up loopholes.
Legislative intent is that a defacto ban can not be created by the president and that there must be a specific reason for making a building or portion of a building off limits. Off limit buildings would be posted 30.06 but penalties for violation are much stronger than 30.06.
Private universities can opt out completely but not sure of the process for doing so.

So, what is to stop the university president from listing all buildings as off-limits, and then the board of regents approving that list? And then what recourse do we have?

The Annoyed Man wrote:I've been occupied all day and most of yesterday and missed what happened. I take it that campus carry passed? What are the opt-in/out provisions in the new law?

Ruark wrote:

jeffrw wrote:

Bottom line is this: some presidents will overreach, some won't, and this overreach will be contrary to the legislative intent. It can be readdressed in 2017 by the legislature (after having a year of good results at other schools to stand upon).

Regarding the legislative intent, I definitely saw that the examples mentioned today as potentially being excluded from carry were quite specific (e.g. day care centers, health care facilities, labs with sensitive materials). Ordinary classrooms, offices, and libraries weren't mentioned at all. Sen. Birdwell also specifically mentioned the Student Union as a place that a school wouldn't be able to declare off-limits.

This could create a very awkward and undesirable situation. Most college students enter several buildings in the course of a day's classes, and most college students over 21 live off campus, some of them many miles away, driving or riding a bus to campus. So, if they need to enter ONE SINGLE no-CCW building during the day, they can't carry at all; they'll have to leave their concealed guns at home, or in their cars, parked far from campus. Granted that many anti-gun university presidents will put "classroom buildings" on the no-CCW list, students will be effectively blocked from carrying to school at all. That's the exact same situation we were hoping to address with this bill: allowing students to carry into buildings.

CJD wrote:

jmra wrote:

TexasJohnBoy wrote:Now that HB910 has passed both chambers, chances we get campus carry done get better?? Will the committee be able to meet in time to hash it out???

I'm afraid the Ellis' of the legislature may redouble their efforts since they got caught off guard with HB910 coming up so quickly. They need something to claim as a Victory.

The opt out amendment will be a victory should they keep it.

TexasJohnBoy wrote:Now that HB910 has passed both chambers, chances we get campus carry done get better?? Will the committee be able to meet in time to hash it out???

Xikar wrote:

This isnt the Natuinal Inquirer. Take this stuff to OCT's Facebook page where it will sell.

Chas.

I'm not affiliated with OCT, I'm just exercising my first amendment rights, and you have a right to disbelieve all the evidence pouring in about Benghazi if YOU choose.

J.R.@A&M wrote:

MeMelYup wrote:Sounds to me like the House is going to amend the bill and send it back to the Senate for approval as late as they can, so the bill will be killed in the Senate. Or passed with an opt out clause.

I can only hope that whatever deal was made was acceptable to Sen. Birdwell (who was adamant in March about not having an opt out clause for state universities).