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Oldgringo wrote:

C-dub wrote:

ClarkLZeuss wrote:

C-dub wrote:Bill O'Reilly is discussing this right now on Fox News.

Doh! I had hoped he would, and wanted to hear his POV about it, cause he has really skewered Tiller over the years. What did he say?

He had a lot more information than I did, obviously. This guy had performed over 60,000 abortions with many being after 24 weeks gestation. I think he said that according to Kansas laws there must be a reason provided by the doctor that a late term abortion was medically necessary for the mother. Or something like that. Anyway, the excuses given by him in many of these cases was EXTREMELY flimsy.

Once again, the pregnant people came to him for his services. I've seen no indication nor commentary that he performed his procedures on the unwilling. IOW,it takes two to tango and it takes two to have an abortion.

Get it yet?

Technically 3. Unless the doctor was the man who got her pregnant in the first place.

omegaman wrote:Do you really not understand the difference between murder and state sanctioned death penalty? We can all take a lesson from states (and countries) that have outlawed the death penalty (including right here in our own country).

I understand quite well, I was just curious to see how others explained it. One of the most common thing I hear Liberals say with that arrogant tone is "How can you be 'pro life' when they're not born but so eager to kill them as adults?" (in regard to the death penalty). In no way did I state I did not support the death penalty, I just like to hear from the intelligent members of this board their arguments for supporting both pro life movements and the death penalty. I was sure they had a well spoken way of communicating why it is not a contradiction to support both, and I was right. If I was truly anti-death penalty because I believed live was sacred no matter what, I doubt very highly I'd carry a gun. But, that's not what I was saying.

At the same time, just because it is state sanctioned is no guarantee that it is right, so I would be careful automatically tying 'the law' with 'morally correct', or using the fact something is state sanctioned as evidence I was right. For example, the Chicago gun bans. It is law, and state sanctioned. Does that mean it is right to deprive their citizens of the ability to defend themselves? Absolutely not.

On a different note, I see my query sparked you to make your first post. Welcome to the forum, there's a lot of good people on here. Enjoy your stay.

TheArmedFarmer wrote:I don't believe that this was a "revenge" or "vigilante" killing, but rather an act of using deadly force to prevent what the assailant saw as the commission of a crime against an innocent third person. This doctor was killing babies (apparently late term babies at that) and wasn't stopping. Therefore his killer brought deadly force to prevent the continued commission of this crime.

This would be an interesting take for the defense. The problem I see with it is, don't you have to basically catch someone in the act for defense of a 3rd person to be defense to prosecution? So unless he burst into the operating room during, I don't see this one flying even if the courts did view abortion as murder.

Just because I know someone is planning on hurting somoene, I have no legal justification to walk up to them in the street and shoot them down unless they're actually hurting me/someone else at that moment. Correct?

pbwalker wrote:It's awfully hypocritical of this murderer to say it is bad to take a babies life but 'ok' to take the Doctor's life. Doesn't help his cause...

So are you against the death penalty as well? In NO way am I saying what this guy did was right, and I agree this only hurts 2A causes and the pro-life movement.

But ignoring the vigilantism and arrogance of being judge/jury/executioner, here in Texas we put people to death for killing others. Is it any less hypocritical because the law condones it?

I do find it interesting that this is identified as a "string" of violence. Is there a group that organized and planned these acts? Were they all perpetrated by the same person, or members of a group? Kind of hard to call it a 'string' if the perpetrators aren't connected in any way...