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Bullwhip wrote:

74novaman wrote:
Nice post. If someone like you were in charge of this push, I'd have a lot less hesitation working with the cdl.

Politics is politics. I bet Mr. Cotton and Alice and TSRA and NRA work every day with people who are not nice people, lying sacks of fertilizer who are against us on almost everything. If you take it personal you can't work wtih people and you lose.

I understand having to work with politicians you don't like. That's how you have to do things. That being said, when you're choosing people to represent you and your cause, it's usually a good idea not to put the "lying sacks of fertilizer" as you put it in charge.

SA-TX wrote:

Charles L. Cotton wrote:As for bringing an end to personal animosity, you need to talk to Lone Star Civil Defense League President Shane McCrary and post something on OpenCarry.org. MR REDNECK's track record on TexasCHLforum, TexasGunTalk and on OpenCarry.org clearly shows he is a driving force behind the personal attacks and lies.

Done, by me, in the Texas section of OpenCarry.org.

SA-TX

Nice post. If someone like you were in charge of this push, I'd have a lot less hesitation working with the cdl.

I had to kind of after reading mrrednecks contention that Charles changed 30.06 signs every session because he was sneaky.

If you're going to be mad at the fact that TSRA and NRA didn't back a bill written by an outside party, fine. At least that is factual. But to simply make things up to be mad about... I can't stomach liars, and I certainly won't support any initiative run by one.

Ravendove wrote:I appreciate the welcome. I'm currently living in Richardson and I like it very much.

It doesn't really come as a surprise to hear you say we had it easier. I would have figured Texas, of all places, would have allowed open carry from the beginning.

Thanks to the War Between the States. Even when we threw out the carpetbaggers and wrote a new constitution, apparently the politicians decided they liked some of the power that the Reconstruction era govt had enjoyed and kept the right to "regulate the wearing of arms".

Our 2A rights have been infringed upon for more than 150 years now. I hope it doesn't take as long to get it all back, but it is going to take some time and thoughtful planning, as opposed to a "gimme everything right now or I'll call you an anti" approach. Even some native born Texans have grown up used to the idea that we only have what gun rights the govt decides we get to. We have years of programming to overcome. But we'll get there.

JKTex wrote:A question, in light of all the issues that have been aired. Back to the bill which is already out of the gate, what is the responsible thing to do with it? Contact Rep. Lavender and ask for the bill to be amended such that it does not put the CHL holder at risk, or ask that he pull it all together in lieu of working with the appropriate folks to go at it better prepared during the next, or another session?

Since the bill is on the move, so far, it just seems that at this point, it needs to be the target of productive energy to make sure it moves forward responsibly, or has a suicide plan.

I personally don't think a thing needs to be done with it. It was introduced too late in the session to ever do much. Though if we manage to get parking lots and campus carry cleared this year (which is looking more likely tonight) We need to figure that out for the next session.

Salty1 wrote: the insulting antics that Mr. Redneck has on various forums.

His posts and general attitude towards Mr. Cotten is very disrespectful. I'm sure he' call me some kind of name for thanking Charles for all the work he's done, but Mr. Cotton has done FAR MORE to advance our gun rights in Texas than someone who posts lies online and belittles other defenders of our rights. That's not the type of person I want representing me or gun owners to the legislature.

johnferg69 wrote:I definitely see where the 30.06 signaled will be an issue. Think maybe we could call some reps and have em leave the 30.06 sign alone for CC and adopt a new sign for OC? Or is it a waste and might hinder what we got so we should just scrap the whole thing?

I don't know, but considering the unique status of a 30.06 sign in Texas, and that this will be affecting Texas, I think we can all agree that maybe Texans should be deciding how we want to push for OC and when?

texasjeep44 wrote: If you want to argue about which is better CA or TX, please include where you can carry loaded long guns in Texas when you're making the comparison.

Very good point. I could carry my AK-47 with one 'o them evil 30 round magazines openly on the passenger seat of my car in Texas and be perfectly legal. Try that in CA.

hirundo82 wrote:

74novaman wrote:Yes, having California style open carry is certainly worth pushing for.

Maybe we shouldn't count states where you have to carry a gun without ammo in it. Just a thought.

You can open carry legally (loaded) outside of city limits in California. Counties do have the option to prohibit it, but not all do.

So you can open carry a useful (i.e. loaded) gun in some counties in Cali. Yep, they should be on the list of states that are better on gun rights than Texas. Sheesh.

Hirundo, not trying to insult you at all, thanks for pointing out that there are some instances where it is legal. Just find it funny that OC people try to include places like Cali in those "43" as allowing OC when Texas doesnt like that should make passing OC a priority rather than an eventual goal. I'd take Texas CC laws over Cali OC or CC any day, but yall feel free to move to Cali if you think they've got this gun rights thing figured out better than Texas.

Yes, having California style open carry is certainly worth pushing for.

Maybe we shouldn't count states where you have to carry a gun without ammo in it. Just a thought.

Jasonw560 wrote:
Homestly, after reading some of opencarry.org bomb-thrower posts, I don't know if open carry is a good idea. I'm just sayin'.

Mr.redneck advocated calling and harassing Charles at work over on ocdo. Keepin it classy!

At this point, just because of the vitriol, blame, and immaturity on the ocdo side, I'd have a hard time supporting any bill drafted or backed by those "gentlemen".

A few things:

I am impressed with the work done on OC this year regarding politely contacting congress people, getting someone to submit the bill, and getting it passed out of committee.

That said, it seems some people have defaulted once again to blaming others if something goes wrong to the point of making things up, and it makes me really hesitant to work with such obvious liars.

For those who truly believe that NRA or TSRA "sabotaged HB 2756...why would Lavender accept such a sabotage of a bill he submitted? He seems very on board with the concept of passing open carry in Texas...yet he accepted a revised version of the bill that makes it impossible to pass or is watered down from constitutional carry? Basically, you have to either believe that the Rep that is ON YOUR SIDE is either a fool, or deliberately okay with OC not being passed and just pandering to you. If that's your opinion of your friends, I'd hate to know what you think of your enemies.

As food for thought, SB 354 was filed on 1/13/11.
HB 2756 was filed on 3/09/11.

2 months in our incredibly short legislative cycle is nothing to sneeze at. Even if this bill had been perfectly written to everyones satisfaction, Mr. Cotton loved it and NRA backed it fully, someone simply failed to file it early enough to pass this session. Perhaps your blame should be directed at whoever took 2 extra months to get this thing on the table for discussion, and not at hypothetical boogymen who had nothing to do with the bill.

Gee, I wonder if the person who didn't get it written in time to get it passed this year is the one trying to blame others for its failure....now why would they do that?

jecsd1 wrote: You all are, of course, entitled to your opinions.

Saying You all instead of Yall makes me think you must be a yankee brady plant.

Just thought I'd bring a little humor into a thread rapidly turning dark.

But seriously: When you don't submit the bill until the 11th hour in what everyone knew was going to be a busy busy session, how can you honestly claim anyone else is to blame if the bill doesn't get to the floor in time? I seem to recall Mr. Cotton even telling a few people on here who wanted open carry that they needed to get a bill written BEFORE the session so it could be submitted early.

I guess some people would rather not take good advice, then blame other when things go wrong.

baldeagle wrote:

jecsd1 wrote:And... Contrary to popular belief HB 2756 was indeed drafted as a simple constitutional OC bill with NO mention of amending 30.06. I have personally spoken face to face with the author of the bill and representative Lavender and they have told me that it was fooled with in League Committee by "people" that may or may not be associated w TSRA, to hurt it's chances of passage.

Drink the Koolaid if you like but some of us know the truth.

Prove it.

The archives of committee meetings are publicly available. Provide the link to the one where the language was changed and tell us the time on the video where someone associated with TSRA "fooled with it". I'm betting you can't do it.

Your accusation is slanderous. You'd better back it up. Otherwise you need to rescind it. And no, I'm not a TSRA member.

What is it with OC pushers trying to blame others for their troubles? Your sponsor didn't submit the bill until darn near the last day you could submit a bill. What part of that is TSRAs or anyone elses fault but your own?

TxLobo wrote:news story on open carry...? (if I missed it during a search, I apologize) ..


http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2011/04/28/stat ... -handguns/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

holy crud there is a lot of stupid comments by antis under that article. And wasn't the Hurst mayor a member of Bloombers MAIG group? Gee, I wonder why they picked him to talk to....