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chasfm11 wrote:
Never before, however, does there seem to be such a blatant contempt for the Constitution. Then again, I don't think that we've ever had a blatant Narcissist either. If others were a bad, they did a better job of keeping it under wraps.

Every time I hear that, I think of Andrew Jackson and FDR. Both displayed some pretty open contempt for how things worked, especially when it came to the relationship between SCOTUS and the rest of govt.

But I agree that Obama is up there on the list of Presidents who violated their oath of office.

chasfm11 wrote:
This is real easy to explain. The enemy of the statists is anyone who is willing to think for themselves. Someone willing to defend themselves IS thinking for themselves. Someone who does that is far more of a danger to the government than a petty thug and will be treated as such.

Excellent point.

Heartland Patriot wrote: So, you either have to simply take it, or simply take it; if you lose, you lose...and if you win, you lose because the "justice" system will convict YOU of injuring the others if you defend yourself successfully.

There have been documented cases in Britain of homeowners/residents going to jail for hitting criminals breaking into their home.

The laws over there are absolutely insane.

Iran has been chosen as a member of the “bureau” overseeing a month-long United Nations conference in New York aimed at finalizing a controversial global “arms trade treaty.”

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/iran-na ... off-police


Yes, a police state that we know have been providing arms to terrorist groups and the insurgency against US troops in Iraq seems like a solid choice to talk about arms control.

chasfm11 wrote:
I'm sorry but hearing "there, there, not to worry" from Asst. Secretary of State Gottemoeller, when she is pretty much surrounded by openly anti-gun people isn't very reassuring. I ran her bio and didn't find anything like her being a very good friend of the Brady bunch. Either that or her online persona has been pretty carefully scrubbed.

I agree. Like I said in point 3, I wasn't too concerned one way or the other when I first heard about it because the UN has been pushing the small arms treaty for years and nothing has come of it.

But since they're busy telling us not to worry about it, it has my attention now.

http://thehill.com/blogs/global-affairs ... ade-treaty

“The Arms Trade Treaty will not in any way handicap the legitimate right of self-defense,” Acting Under Secretary of State for Arms Control and International Security Rose Gottemoeller said in a tweet.

Now, some thoughts:

1) The fact they used the term "legitimate right of self defense" makes me smile. Shows how far the debate in this country over gun control has come from the "sporting purpose" days.

2) I am concerned what they would view as "legitimate". For example, I'm sure they don't think I need a magazine over 10 rounds, the ability to carry a gun outside of my own home, the ability to own an "evil assault rifle", etc.

3) The mere fact that they would bother coming out and saying that we shouldn't worry about what this treaty would do to 2nd amendment rights in the US tends to make me actually worry about what its going to do. It's one thing to hear the usual "UN wants to take our guns" talk. Its another when this administration with a demonstrable history of lying through their teeth starts telling me there is nothing to worry about.

This is something worth watching, at least.

jimlongley wrote:

chasfm11 wrote: . . . Too often we "of a certain age" spend our time railing to one another about the current state of governmental affairs. My political group and even our Congressman's last public forum showed a preponderance of gray hair. It was hard to find anyone under 40 in attendance. If we are to succeed at "throwing the bums out", it will take more than the senior citizen voting block. It just seems like an enormous mountain to climb to overcome the years of public school indoctrination that most have received. Even our granddaughter (2nd grade) was told in school that guns were bad.

And "we of a certain age" were mostly educated by people who spent an awful lot of time telling us what I now consider to be pure liberal propaganda. Even the fledgling UN was presented to us as the ultimate force for world peace, but it has obviously evolved into something different, and to me it is no surprise that it thinks it should be a world government.

Y'all had to deal with liberal hogwash just like we did. I think at least partially due to the sorry state of the economy, many of my peers (I'm 25) are starting to realize government is not the solution, but a major part of the problem rather early on.

I saw lots of young folks at tea party rallies, many of my friends voted in the primaries this year and in 2010, and most of them self identify as Republicans or libertarians. A lot of them are shooters, too.

I think Obama has lost my generation. Remember, many of those college kids who voted for him in 08 are graduates now, with little to no job prospects and aren't happy about the quality of the hope and change they received. They will either stay home or vote R this time around.

Barring some unforeseen miraculous turn around, I really think Obama is toast in November. He's down in polling across all age groups and races. When you just look at "likely" voters instead of "registered" voters, it starts looking even worse for him.