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Once again, we agree 100%. If you're ever in the Temple, TX area shoot me a PM. I'll buy you a beer.RoyGBiv wrote: Marginalizing ME oil is the single best thing we can do for world peace and the US economy.
If I were President, THIS would be my JFK "moon landing" speech. Not even a fraction of a doubt.
On a side note, I am really tired of these Argumentum ad Hominem type statements from you. If you have an issue with something that a poster has said, address them specifically with your issue. You continue to paint this entire forum with a broad and false brush. This is not your first post in this forum where such broad, insulting statements were made about your fellow members if they disagree with you.57Coastie wrote: I believe the post I quote above clearly shows that those persons who have dominated this thread know absolutely nothing about that with which they pretend to know everything. They do not understand, they do not wish to understand, they refuse to understand, and they will never understand. They have their fingers in their ears. Their answer to all who disagree with them is to kill. Your translation of your holy Quran, while subtle, is quite accurate and understandable.
See the difference? One is an overly broad generalization that is insulting to lots of people (and I'd say a borderline personal attack, which is a big no-no here), and one is addressing a specific problem I have with a specific users post.Liberals who post on this forum seem to have such heavy observer biases that they can't help but call anyone who doesn't think like them ignorant, stupid, bloodthirsty, naive, etc. It is sad that they must resort to name calling to feel superior.
Jumping Frog wrote:The question at hand is childishly absurdly simple. Will we allow Muslim mobs to determine the content of our Bill of Rights? Will we decide that as Americans, we have a right to freedom of speech, without considering the "global opinion" of a band of savages who want us to bow down to their stone god and its views on women, freedom and blasphemy, or will we decide that as Post-Americans we must consider the opinions of the "international community" and accept that freedom of speech is no longer feasible in a connected world?57Coastie wrote:I leave it to our resident legal scholars to consider this matter in that context and give us their opinion as to whether perhaps, if the Guardian's quote proves true and provable, Mr. Nakoula, and perhaps others, might be prosecuted by some appropriate jurisdiction, alleging the commission of a serious crime, ranging perhaps from conspiracy to first degree murder.
To hopefully avoid backlash from certain quarters, I do not make any suggestion that the consequences of Mr. Nakoula's film were either rational or forgivable -- I suggest only that they were arguably reasonably predictable. I would suggest, however, that the rightness or wrongness of the consequences is irrelevant to the question of whether or not he might be liable for criminal conduct.
Yep.Dave2 wrote:You're not watching the same news channel I am... I think both Fox and CNN have been saying there's likely an Al Qaeda since early afternoonish.philip964 wrote:Most of the local news is saying that the ambassador and three other Americans were killed during a protest at the consulate. Sort of like there was a protest and it sort of got out of control and some Americans were killed.
Not that it was a deliberate coordinated attack on America on 9/11.
Wake up people.
Sofian Kadura is an airline pilot who lives in Benghazi.
I was out with a few friends yesterday evening around 9 or 10 p.m., when we drove into the area where the consulate is located. All of a sudden, we were caught in a huge crowd, with people seemingly shooting on both sides – at the consulate and from the consulate. But it was hard to tell exactly who was shooting. We quickly managed to get to safety, to an area about 200 metres away from the consulate. My friends and I – who were all Freedom Fighters, or rebels, during the war – wanted to go back and see exactly what the trouble was, so I took my AK-47 from my car. (Today, I remain part of a volunteer brigade that ensures security in Benghazi.)
However, when we tried to get closer to the consulate, we realised that armed Islamists had blocked off the streets. They had automatic rifles, RPGs, and big machine guns mounted on cars. It was obvious they were Islamists due to their long beards. I told them I was part of a security brigade, and asked them to let me through – they refused. A large crowd of civilians had gathered, and many people tried to persuade the Islamists to stop. The Islamists were yelling that they wanted to kill everyone in the consulate. We said, “You know, there are Libyans working in there, too,” but they didn’t care – they said those Libyans should never have agreed to work with Americans. They also claimed that the consulate security fired at them first [Editor’s Note: we are unable to idependently verify this claim] – and I said, well, did you really think it was a good idea to show up to ‘protest’ with RPGs and automatic rifles?
"This is not what we fought the war for"
We stayed there until the Islamists left, at around midnight. Usually, when any big incident happens in Benghazi, those who are members of brigades receive orders over our talkie walkies from a main call centre. We received no orders. In fact, there was a brigade just down the street, but they stayed away. I was very distraught. This is not what we fought the war for. While I think the video is insulting, and should never have been made, I don’t think violence is the solution.
Today, many people in Benghazi are just as angry as me, and dislike these Islamists. But we’re in a difficult spot, because criticising them can be interpreted as being “against” the Prophet. The Islamists I talked to last night belong to a brigade affiliated with the radical Islamist group Ansar Al-Sharia, which translates to “Those Who Want Sharia” [other eyewitnesses and at least one Libyan official have blamed the group for the attack, according to the BBC]. In the past few months, it’s become increasingly powerful and well-known. Like the rest of the brigades in Benghazi, they theoretically ensure security only when the local government asks them to do so. The hospital, which was in dire need of security, recently asked for their help, and since they’ve been guarding it, there’s been no more trouble there. But when religion is involved, they seem to act of their own accord. For example, these past months, they’ve destroyed Muslim mausoleums that they deem blasphemous.
People are quite scared of them, because these Islamists seem unafraid of dying. There have always been Islamists in Benghazi, but during Muammar Gaddafi’s era, they were locked up in jail. Now, they seem to be making up for lost time. And until the government gives us orders to stop them, there’s not much we other brigades can do. However, I think they will have to be stopped soon, because what they did at the consulate went way too far.