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flintknapper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 8:07 pm

powerboatr wrote: ↑Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:45 pm her apartment was not decorated like jean's, didn't she notice the room was different or smelled different? I would assume through police training, that attention to detail is a paramount skill used often.
thats what stuck me. How do you not know the room is different from your own?

^^^^^^
It is well documented that in periods of tremendous stress/fear that it is 'possible' to experience:

1. Tunnel vision.
2. Auditory Exclusion.
3. Tachypsychia.

So...failing to notice furnishings or other things (out of place) is not out of the realm of possibilities.

But the Officers grand mistake was failing to retreat, take up a more favorable position (she was smack dab in the Fatal Funnel IF the guy had been armed) and then call for back-up. [/i][/b]

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glad its over
I dont agree or disagree with 1 2 and 3. Only to say I have no idea what her level of training or continued training is or was.
on my 22 plus years of active duty, we trained as we fight. yes you get wound up in the moment of impending death or fear. BUT you also train to due the the last sentence, find a better position of defense if you can. you also train to be a cucumber when your helicopter starts dropping from the sky, to work the problem as long as possible before the splat or hard bounce
we will never know what she was thinking. I just have a hard time with her not understanding she was on the wrong floor and wrong apartment.
10 years seems a bit soft imo, but it is what it is. glad this done for now

wow, after last nights reading i was sort of convinced man slaughter.

but i remain steadfast in a few questions that maybe will be answered.
her apartment was not decorated like jean's, didn't she notice the room was different or smelled different? I would assume through police training, that attention to detail is a paramount skill used often.
thats what stuck me. How do you not know the room is different from your own?

glad its partly over for now

great discussion points,
2 years seems a bit thin.
the qualification to meet murder over manslaughter is not going to be met.
But i cant get past the entering of an apartment that was decorated different from hers and still somehow trying to convince the jury she was in her own apartment.
we lived in an apartment building once that on each floor the units were identical. but each one smelled and looked different inside to match the respective tenant. Did she not smell or see the difference? aren't police trained to notice differences and their surroundings?
justice is to be blind and i agree if the roles were switched, what would be the outcome? 20 years or more?
i have a very hard time seeing it as anything other than flat out murder.
but then again my door is locked when i am home.