Most of the jacketed rounds I'm seeing on Midway look a little strong for me to be comfortable shooting them out of an old Trapdoor. However, the cast lead ammunition seems perfectly safe, judging from the published velocity figures and the bullet weight. Be careful going simply by the "405 grain" label, because I'm seeing some real thumpers in that list!
Cartridges of the world lists "Trapdoor-safe" loads with a 300g bullet as having in the area of a 1400 fps velocity. Hornady's loading manual also lists "soft" loads in this velocity. You could check the advertised velocity of a commercial round as a starting point for figuring out whether it's safe in your rifle.
If you're not a reloader, what you might consider is calling the manufacturer about the ammunition in question and ask what pressures that particular load is rated at. "Cowboy loads" in .45-70 would probably be a good place to start. It's always a good sign if the ammunition box itself declares that it's rated for Trapdoors.
I didn't mention the "soft" smokeless loads in my first post, as has been pointed out, but I wanted to emphasize the (comparative) weakness of the Trapdoor next to modern Marlin and Ruger rifles. My biggest fear with the old .45-70s is that someone will stick a random load in the chamber, and touch off a grenade. With proper research, though, you can certainly find "Trapdoor-safe" smokeless loads.
Were that gun mine, I'd certainly shoot it, after finding (or loading) proper ammunition. Keep it within its limits, and it'll last another 140 years.
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Make SURE you're shooting loads acceptable for that old rifle! Modern smokeless .45-70 ammunition will take that gun apart, and possibly your hands/face with it. Use blackpowder or blackpowder substitutes ONLY.I'm planning a trip to take it out for a test fire before much longer...
The old Trapdoor design will NOT handle the pressure of modern smokeless powder!!!
However, with appropriate ammunition, the old blackpowder cartridge rifles can be quite fun to shoot - I've got an old Rolling Block I take out occasionally.