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by jackj87
Tue Dec 08, 2009 10:27 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Present CHL when not the driver
Replies: 15
Views: 2570

Re: Present CHL when not the driver

chabouk wrote:I'm a little contrarian when it comes to civil rights, so if I was a passenger, I would resist showing any ID; none is required to be a passenger, and this is not a "papers please!" state. Unless you're under arrest, you have no legal obligation to identify yourself in any way.

Of course if the officer demands ID and you present it, you must also present your CHL if you're armed. Although I have to say, this would be the perfect time to not present the CHL, since there's no longer any penalty for not doing so.

I realize that resistance to police requests raises red flags, of the "If you've got nothing to hide..." variety. I find it incredibly sad that standing on one's rights is considered "suspicious behavior" these days.

I'm sure most people here have seen and cheered "Make Mine Freedom", the animated short produced by Harding College in 1948. One of my favorite parts: the defiant homeowner facing down three towering police officers on his front porch, demanding to know "Where's your warrant, flatfoot?"

" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; (Link jumps directly to that short segment.)

Such open defiance and standing on Constitutionally-guarantee rights some 61 years later is frowned upon; we're advised to save arguments for the judge, not the cop. When someone is hassled, detained excessively, threatened, coerced, and possibly even arrested without grounds, we hear cries of "That's why I always show my ID when I'm asked!" And, sadly, such speakers mean to imply that they are doing the right thing, and the one who stands on his rights is somehow wrong.
Chabouk, I am right there with you. I would rather not do anything except sit there and watch the lady friend try to get out of a ticket. Of course, if the LEO was interested in talking to me for some reason, then yes, I would inform him I have a CHL. Also, that I would be part of the small group of individuals that actually carry daily.

Appreciate the replies everyone. I was thinking pretty much what everybody has posted but was just wanted to clear up any confusions.

AEA wrote:If I had what you have in your wallet, I wouldn't worry too much about it. :thumbs2: :smilelol5: :smilelol5: :txflag:
Are you talking about a CHL? Sorry for the misunderstanding, brains is kinda lagging this morning.
by jackj87
Mon Dec 07, 2009 11:55 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Present CHL when not the driver
Replies: 15
Views: 2570

Present CHL when not the driver

Hey guys,

I was visiting my girlfriend in Austin a couple of weeks ago and had a random question pop into my head. I couldn't remember an answer to this so I thought what better place than to ask the knowledgeable forum.

If I am the passenger in her car and she gets stopped for, say a speeding ticket, am I required to give notice to the LEO that I am carrying? I would do it anyways just to avoid any problems. I just couldn't remember if I ever went over that in my class session.

I am usually very informed of such details of the law, but just couldn't remember if we ever discussed it.

Thanks for any responses.

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