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- Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:07 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Shooting Required for Renewal?
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Re: Shooting Required for Renewal?
Thx. This is what I wanted when I made the original post. There are many errors in the Q&A area and my post of 411.188 is from the DPS website, so they have some "catchin up" to do.
- Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:45 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Shooting Required for Renewal?
- Replies: 17
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Re: Shooting Required for Renewal?
txglock21 wrote:I understood what you were saying, I just didn't have a qualified answer for you. Like my dad would say, "You can keep quite and let people think you are a fool, or you can open your mouth and prove you are one."howdy wrote:I give up.
Yea I need to take that advice. Frustrating some time.
- Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:32 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Shooting Required for Renewal?
- Replies: 17
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Re: Shooting Required for Renewal?
I give up. 
- Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:39 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Shooting Required for Renewal?
- Replies: 17
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Re: Shooting Required for Renewal?
So you see it in 411.188 the way I do. Why would 411.185 supersede 411.188? This is why I love the forum because it forces me to go back and read the statutes. I read 411.185 and skimmed over 411.188. There is an error in the way 411.188 reads. The word "renew " should have been removed.Keith B wrote:There was no change apparently made to 411.188. 411.185 would supersede 411.188.howdy wrote:If you look at 411.188, it has all the new requirements of 4 hours/ 6 hours. 411.185 says no requirement for shooting or class for renewal. But in 411.188 it says renewal requires shooting and class. Can someone please post the new 411.188 where it does not say that?
Again, I KNOW what the law is. I am not arguing or requesting information on the renewal law. I just brought up a point that 411.188 says (in error) that shooting and class are required for renewal.
- Tue Jul 28, 2015 12:26 pm
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Shooting Required for Renewal?
- Replies: 17
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Re: Shooting Required for Renewal?
I know what 411.185 says and I know what the requirements are BUT 411.188 says the renewal requires class/shooting. If you look at this same 411.188, it has all the new requirements of 4 hours/ 6 hours for the original class. 411.185 says no requirement for shooting or class for renewal. But in 411.188 it says renewal requires shooting and class. Is there a new 411.188 where it does not say that?
I am not arguing about the current law....I know what it is. I read 411.188 when Keith posted it for the person asking about handgun caliber and saw what it said. This 411.188 is the current one copied from the State web site.
I am not arguing about the current law....I know what it is. I read 411.188 when Keith posted it for the person asking about handgun caliber and saw what it said. This 411.188 is the current one copied from the State web site.
- Tue Jul 28, 2015 10:21 am
- Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
- Topic: Shooting Required for Renewal?
- Replies: 17
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Shooting Required for Renewal?
Now before I get tactfully slammed, let me say that I know what section 411.185 says about renewal. Then, I read Keith's response to the person asking about minimum caliber requirements for the proficiency test. He posted this:
There it is right there in black and white and it says "renewal" requires both classroom AND shooting. Am I reading this wrong? I will still teach the way I KNOW is correct.
[/quote]GC §411.188. HANDGUN PROFICIENCY REQUIREMENT.
(a) The director by rule shall establish minimum standards for handgun proficiency and shall develop
a course to teach handgun proficiency and examinations to measure handgun
proficiency. The course to teach handgun proficiency is required for each person
who seeks to obtain or renew a license and must contain training sessions
divided into two parts.[/color] One part of the course must be classroom instruction
and the other part must be range instruction and an actual demonstration by the
applicant of the applicant’s ability to safely and proficiently use a handgun. An
applicant must be able to demonstrate, at a minimum, the degree of proficiency
that is required to effectively operate a handgun of .32 caliber or above. The
department shall distribute the standards, course requirements, and examinations
on request to any qualified handgun instructor.
(b) Only qualified handgun instructors may administer the classroom instruction
part or the range instruction part of the handgun proficiency course. The
classroom instruction part of the course must include not less than four hours
and not more than six hours of instruction on:
(1) the laws that relate to weapons and to the use of deadly force;
(2) handgun use and safety;
(3) nonviolent dispute resolution; and
(4) proper storage practices for handguns with an emphasis on storage
practices that eliminate the possibility of accidental injury to a child.
(c) Repealed by Acts 2013, 83rd Leg., R.S., Ch. 156 (S.B. 864), Sec. 3, and Ch.
1387 (H.B. 48), Sec. 5, eff. September 1, 2013
There it is right there in black and white and it says "renewal" requires both classroom AND shooting. Am I reading this wrong? I will still teach the way I KNOW is correct.