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wgoforth wrote:

C-dub wrote:

wgoforth wrote:I know of nothing in scripture that prohibits carrying anywhere for that matter, but we understand we cannot take them on an air flight for example. Do I like it? Nope. Is there a choice? Not that I can see for the present.

As far as flying goes, there are options, but they aren't cheap. Charter a flight from a private airline or get a pilots license and fly yourself. We are only restricted from carrying our guns on commercial flights.

Otherwise, drive everywhere like I have for the last couple of years and take it with you. I have not flown anywhere that I can remember in the last 20+ years that would have honored my Texas CHL if we'd had it that long. I have yet to take my gun with me on a flight.

Not an option for me. I may fly to CA or PA and have to be back the next day to preach here. So not an option for everyone. We all carry where we legally can I'm sure.

Me neither, but I have considered it.

wgoforth wrote:I know of nothing in scripture that prohibits carrying anywhere for that matter, but we understand we cannot take them on an air flight for example. Do I like it? Nope. Is there a choice? Not that I can see for the present.

As far as flying goes, there are options, but they aren't cheap. Charter a flight from a private airline or get a pilots license and fly yourself. We are only restricted from carrying our guns on commercial flights.

Otherwise, drive everywhere like I have for the last couple of years and take it with you. I have not flown anywhere that I can remember in the last 20+ years that would have honored my Texas CHL if we'd had it that long. I have yet to take my gun with me on a flight.

jmra wrote: I don't have any trouble getting face time with my pastor. As long as I am standing in my driveway with two cups of coffee at 6:00am on Sunday morning he will slow down enough for me to jump in.

I think our church seats around 700-800. I don't know how many people go to multiple services a week, but it can get pretty full. Sometimes there are even people standing on the sides and back. There are separate English and Spanish masses. I can see the 6,500 number as being fairly representative of members that attend mass at least once a week.

wgoforth wrote:

C-dub wrote:I'm not sure what the current membership of my church is, but as of 2006 we had over 6,200 registered families. I seem to remember hearing about at least 6,500 a couple of years ago. I would consider our church to be medium sized. I am a regular member and we greet, speak with, and shake our priest's hand after every mass. I can also meet and speak with him almost anytime he's at the church.

Joel Osteen's Lakewood church has a membership over 45,000 locally and something well over 100,000 worldwide. They can seat over 16,000 at each service. Now, that's a MEGA-church!

You will be surprised then to find that the average church in America has under 99 members in attendance. 59% of all churches fit that catagory. 35% has between 1-500. Only .4% (not 4% but .4) has over 2,000. .01% has 10,000 or more. Again, Please note by "can you talk to your preacher" was not about access to, but comfort level in talking to him about guns.

WOW! I had no idea. I know my church is not small, but wow. I'm actually shocked that we fit into that category. I think almost every one of the churches in our diocese here in DFW is above 2,000 and one or two might be over 10,000.

Okay, I have not broached the subject of guns with our priest. I have the feeling he is okay with them, but don't want to take the chance. Our church is not posted and as far as I know there is no mention of weapons anywhere.

I'm not sure what the current membership of my church is, but as of 2006 we had over 6,200 registered families. I seem to remember hearing about at least 6,500 a couple of years ago. I would consider our church to be medium sized. I am a regular member and we greet, speak with, and shake our priest's hand after every mass. I can also meet and speak with him almost anytime he's at the church.

Joel Osteen's Lakewood church has a membership over 45,000 locally and something well over 100,000 worldwide. They can seat over 16,000 at each service. Now, that's a MEGA-church!

This is true if the officer actually has the authority to give you notice. I question whether or not an officer has the authority to speak for a business or in this case a church in this capacity. I don't necessarily believe that an officer, hired for security, has any real control over a place and therefore the authority to give someone notice. They are not the owner and don't really have any actual authority with regards to that place. They, obviously, have authority, but can they really speak for a business?

I remember a few people saying that an officer at the Texas State Fair told them that they could not carry into some restaurant inside the fair, but of course the restaurant was not posted and is on property owned by the city. I will concede that if an officer tells me I cannot carry somewhere, whether or not he actually can, that if I did I would probably be taking a ride if caught by him. However, if it were a place I could not actually be prohibited from carrying then the charges would also probably be dismissed. Remember, many officers are not the best or even second best person to ask about the law and where a person can and cannot carry. I would contend that most of them do not know that churches are not automatically off limits and must post a 30.06 sign.