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I don't know. Will renewals be even shorter? They already are only about half the full class at about 4-5 hours.

Jumping Frog wrote:The problem is, the way you are guys are interpreting it is a good commonsense way of interpreting legislative intent.

However, that is not what the language of the statute reads:

PC §46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, nor a spectator . . . .

The statute, as written, could even conceivably apply to someone sitting in McDonalds eating their lunch when a school bus carrying kids on a field trip pulls up and all the kids pile out and come inside to eat lunch. Now, I know that is not what the legislature intended, but a hostile DA could still prosecute under the statute language as written.

And there's the rub. Even Charles admits there is no court decisions that would shed more light onto this matter.

stash wrote:Am I remembering correctly that if campus carry was to pass the schools would probably have the option to allow campus carry or not?

They already have that option. If campus carry were passed they would not have the option. Public universities and colleges would not be able to prohibit a CHL from carrying in their buildings similar to other city or state owned facilities with certain exceptions.

Jumping Frog wrote: But attending a high school graduation would still be a school-sponsored event. One could not carry to the graduation itself, although campus carry would allow visiting the rest of the college campus while you are there.

I'm not so sure about that in this situation. Based on Charles' and Steve's opinions that if the school function is on property the school is not in control of that may not apply. OTOH, I am there attending the graduation versus just being there when a graduation just happens to be taking place. Even if it does pass this year it will be too late for this years graduation ceremonies and will hopefully be clarified before next year's.

CJD wrote:

gringo pistolero wrote:

C-dub wrote:Parents would be able to carry inside building where many High School graduations are held.

I missed that. What campus carry bill includes high schools?

He meant that high school graduations occur on college campuses often.

That is correct. Two of my nephews' graduations were held at UNT. We have two more this year and then another in 2015 before my own daughter's in 2020.

KC5AV wrote:

baseballguy2001 wrote:If you had a choice this session, and only one bill could get passed, which would you choose?

I believe that campus carry is still the higher priority. I imagine there are more CHL holders that work for or attend college than there are CHL holders who would open carry on an on-going basis.

And he said it with fewer words and more to the point.

baseballguy2001 wrote:Great replies everybody. The wife was out of town and I had to pick her up at DFW. While waiting for her, I read the posts here, good points, but I have a question. If you had a choice this session, and only one bill could get passed, which would you choose? Respectfully, I still view Campus Carry as a low priority mission. Many more people would be positively affected by a well crafted Open Carry bill. Campus Carry can wait. I do think the legal framework should be a CHL has the option, no CHL, no open carry. Ok, let me have it!

I remember this thread about OC vs. Campus Carry.
viewtopic.php?f=129&t=60117&hilit=suppo ... open+carry" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

And this one, which had more choices.
viewtopic.php?f=125&t=59486&hilit=open+ ... ession+one" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I thought there was another one, but can't find it. Campus carry and OC are close in both pools. If licensed OC or even Constitutional Carry, which I don't think there has been a bill that has been proposed, is passed it will certainly give more people the ability to OC. However, I think it is obvious that relatively few actually will compared to the number of licensed people that could. Compared to those numbers, far more people will be affected by Campus Carry if passed because they will still be concealed. Licensed students, parents, and friends would be able to carry inside campus buildings. Parents would be able to carry inside building where many High School graduations are held.

Dad24GreatKids wrote:

C-dub wrote:There are two probably issues with licensed OC. One is that there will undoubtedly be someone that will do it without a license either not knowing that a license is needed or that they are just trying to get away with it. The second problem that highlights the problem with the first one I've described is that just because someone is openly carrying does not necessarily mean that the have a license and the police cannot assume that this is the case. That person openly carrying most likely will be licensed, but how would an officer know this without checking.

Maybe everyone should be issued an OC badge!

Edited to Add: Just read C-dub suggesting this same thing in another thread... Guess I'm a bit late to the party...

It was also in jest. I would never seriously suggest or advise such an action. Check this thread out. viewtopic.php?f=26&t=60399" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

There are two probably issues with licensed OC. One is that there will undoubtedly be someone that will do it without a license either not knowing that a license is needed or that they are just trying to get away with it. The second problem that highlights the problem with the first one I've described is that just because someone is openly carrying does not necessarily mean that the have a license and the police cannot assume that this is the case. That person openly carrying most likely will be licensed, but how would an officer know this without checking. If OC does pass and IF I do OC I will expect a visit from at least one officer. If that ever does happen I will be polite and cooperate with the officers and not cause them any more stress than they will already be under by being upset that they are questioning me. Since I personally know a couple of the officers in my city I may even discuss it with them and learn the department's policy and how they intend to handle the inevitable MWAG calls and what I should do. That kind of preemptive contact may help to make us all a little more relaxed when they see it is me when they arrive. IDK, though, there are some big IF's in there.