Most aren't, but if you get the wrong one.The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 3:36 pmHow are they going to do that, if he had no merchandise hidden about his person AND he’s on both police body cam video and whoever recorded the encounter on his cellphone, asking if he can at least pay for what’s in his cart before being ejected from the store? A DA would have to be a microcephalic functional illiterate to take such a case given the video record. I don’t know what the law is in Missouri, but I suppose that under Texas law, an LEO could give him a hard time for not having the gun in a belt or shoulder holster.....assuming that Texas law requires a belt to be present for a belt holster when open carrying.03Lightningrocks wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:29 amI think many times those forms are signed under threat of "pressing charges" such as in a shop lifting case. Like you, I am wondering exactly what charges they threatened to file on this guy.The Annoyed Man wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:33 amWhen I posted this story, I wasn’t as outraged as the person who tweeted the story in the first place.... but I was a little bit outraged. My opinion was that it was way over the line for an individual store manager (who may be only 1 of 2 or 3 for that store alone) to trespass the subject from ALL Walmart stores for LIFE, and it was unlawful for the police to make a private citizen sign a corporate document.flechero wrote: ↑Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:14 amCould be easily challenged and thrown out... as he was made to sign it under duress. Of course he may not care after being treated that way.
Too much info missing for me to get ruffled yet, however, the gun case being unlocked and unattended is something a manager should be concerned about. (regardless of how it;s reported to him)
I think I would have refused to sign the form, and made the police trespass me out of that one store, since their jurisdiction is limited. I don’t see how they could arrest me for refusing to sign a Walmart generated form, which can apply to all stores. I don’t see how a "disorderly conduct" or similar charge could be made to stick for refusing to sign a private corporation's form. Walmart is not the law, and I’m pretty sure that a court would agree. I think that, when the officer tried to hand me my gun back, I would have said, "Here’s what we're gonna do. You hang onto that for a minute so that you all will feel safer about things, and we're going to all walk out of the store together. You can detain me in cuffs while walking out it makes you feel better. Then, once we're outside, you can cite me, or trespass me using one of your forms. Then, if you can’t find a reason to actually arrest me, you can uncuff me, return my firearm, and I’ll leave peacefully. But I am NOT going to sign a form produced by a non-law enforcement entity—which is well within my rights to refuse to do—and you can't MAKE me put my signature to a document that isn’t gov’t generated. Shall we walk?"
They could threaten me with that if they wanted to, which would earn them a well deserved laugh. The person with the cellphone would document any effort to plant false evidence. Besides that, I don’t think most LEOs would be that corrupt. If you refused o sin the form, the worse they could do wold be to arrest you for disturbing the peace—a charge that would be dropped by the DA as soon as he saw the video record, maybe even with an apology.
There is that other thread involving officer goines. Lower case intended.