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texanjoker wrote: As far as the last post about barney fifes (not yours), i could tell 1000s of stories of the dumb things ive seen the public do on a daily basis. Im sure the other leos could add to that as well

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To be clear I wasn't making any statement or generalization about LEO's - Barneys or otherwise. My anecdote was simply to exemplify the fact I would not disrespect any officer under any circumstances. I've known too many police officers to ever do such a thing; besides my Dad's father NYPD Detective rank.

gigag04 wrote:I worked off duty, plain clothes assignments, however very rarely. It was a two man gig patrolling some trash apartments that had lots of problems. We had to break up a good size scrap with only concealed pistols and a radio. After, that, I refused to take part as not being in full uniform when trying to full scale police-work makes things tricky.

If he had no badge whatsoever, I would understand some extra steps to ensure he/she is a real LEO. Many depts/units (ie K9) use sewn on badges, so look for those too, as they are quite different from the typical shiny badges most patrolmen wear.

Regarding the authority of the LEO, they have the full force of law as described in CCP. Just a heads if anyone was leaning towards treating them like a mall rent-a-cop.

I would never do that. In my limited encounters with LEO I have met some Barney Fifes. As a teenager my brother and I were leaving my Dad's business late at night after doing some work. PoPo pulled up behind us and got out w/ guns drawn yelling hands up. All turned out OK, but while we were ponying up our ID and explaining the situation the other officer was searching our car and found a spent .22 cartridge under a floor mat. He approached us with his flashlight aimed at the shell in his hand and then very dramatically sniffed it and said "That's been fired!". The other officer was him holding back a grin, but we never even twitched a lip. Turned out the non-Barney knew my dad and just admonished us for being there that late. We just agreed and chalked off his making that statement to justify their having pulled weapons.

texanjoker wrote:

C-dub wrote:

txglock21 wrote:Maybe I'm missing something here, but I don't see what the big issue is with showing your ID. Do you all have a problem showing your ID when asked cashing a check, verifying your credit card at store, buying beer (for some younger looking folks)? I have to show ID all the time for various things. If asked by a LEO or even a security guard, I have no problem. It's not like you are giving them your SS card/number. Maybe it's just me. YMMV

A little bit, yes, but those are also activities that I am making the choice to participate in. In cases like this, however, the OP was just sitting in his car in a public parking lot and someone claiming to be a LEO requested his ID.

Claiming to be a leo and in uniform. OP also posted he was a leo so not thinking he is one isnt in this scenario. As posted by several of us even on or off duty doesnt matter since a leo is one 24/7 and he was investigating a reported disturbance. For all we know he responded to a call as an on duty officer.

But if one really wants to avoid this flash your chl badge

I don't deny LEO's on duty or off can investigate and arrest. I've personal experience with my my LEO friends in years past when they were off duty and arrested people. My main problem with the situation as explained by the OP is the LEO didn't see any activity - just took the word of the manager. No one has asked the question as to how much investigation the LEO did to verify any part of what the manager reported before he confronted the OP. What ever disturbance if any was history at the point the LEO got involved. Using that premise every time a heated discourse takes place with no verification other one person's unverified report an LEO on duty or off should come running to investigate. Remember Las Vegas Costco? I acknowledge it's an extreme comparison, but one person made a false report about a disturbance that no one could verify. I know we like to avoid confrontation and most of us have nothing to hide and feel things go smoother when we cooperate when asked for ID (in situations that are not listed by PC) but, if I was the OP I would refuse , offer him the recording and tell him I am answering no questions. It's a slippery slope when we say just show ID every time an LEO demands. Now before you start in on me I am stating this because of the facts as I know from the OP and I don't think some wart of a manager should have the ability use law enforcement for personal revenge. Maybe the OP needs to sic a lawyer on the manager and company for a false report.

Skaven wrote:

jmra wrote:Did he suspect you were involved in criminal activity? Seems like that is the first question most of the open carry guys ask when an officer wants to see ID. I would more than likely give an officer my ID wether I had to or not because ultimately he can find out who I am anyway.

I am sure that the lady who called him said I was up to no good. But she embellished quite a bit based on his explanation of what she said I did.

I'm missing something here. Where was he and how did she call him? Was he working at the establishment you visited? If I had left as requested and was in a public parking lot inside my car, I'm not sure I would have cooperated with the LEO working security unless he was a witness to something actionable. I'd be back on the phone to corporate while the LEO was present to report their employee. If the LEO says it's within his duties and authorization while off duty I'd point out that the manager made a false report and he'd be duty bound to investigate her, especially since you recorded it. I may be completely off base, but that's my opinion