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sugar land dave wrote:Oh! You guys woke me up! I was snoozing so nicely throughout this thread!

I do not see anything inappropriate with the OP's letter to CC. I also understand Embalmo being somewhat fond of his opinions, though for the life of me, I don't understand his concealed carrying to his Dr's visit. I can just envision it now:

"Have you had this appendage long?"
"Long enough, doc."

"Is it always cold?"
No, it warms right up, but listen, doc, I don't feel very comfortable about people touching it, and don't you even consider holding it!"

Forgive the interruption, I'll just doze back off again.......

i8godzilla wrote:

Embalmo wrote: Seriously-You need to chill with the angry (all caps) posts here; there are other forums on the Internet for that. If you write an angry letter accusing a business of having no interest in the safety of their patrons with threats of public scrutiny, they're gonna' wonder what your beef is and quickly realize that their sign is your problem.

If I had a business and someone wrote me a letter such as that, I would go out of my way to make sure no one like that could ever enter my business again by posting the biggest, most valid sign possible; to keep those angry, threatening CHLs as far away from my property as possible. I might even look into metal detectors.

Embalmo

Again, what facts do you have to back this up?

BTW: I am a business owner and do not play one on TV.

jamisjockey wrote:

Embalmo wrote:

Pacifist wrote:I tend to not frequent establishments whose owners have let it be known that they would rather not have my business via the posting of a 30.06 sign, valid or invalid. If I happen to be in a particularly benevolent mood, I will, on occasion, inform the establishments' owners of their loss of business and the reason for the loss.

The thing about non-valid signs is that they don't affect us until we tell them to (and how) to make them valid; many of us would prefer not to decrease the number place that we may legally carry. The "C" stands for concealed.

Embalmo

Did you even read my posts? Huh? I DID NOT TELL THEM THEIR SIGN WAS INVALID. I posted the letter in this thred. Go back and read it.

Pacifist wrote:I tend to not frequent establishments whose owners have let it be known that they would rather not have my business via the posting of a 30.06 sign, valid or invalid. If I happen to be in a particularly benevolent mood, I will, on occasion, inform the establishments' owners of their loss of business and the reason for the loss.

terryg wrote:

Oldgringo wrote:

Embalmo wrote:Also, how can a company be stepping on our toes when they don't post a compliant sign?

and has been said 3,679 (+/-) times, let sleeping dogs lie and go on about your business, please.

Said in my best Ricky Ricardo:

Oldgringoooo! You've got some splainin to do!

I thought I remembered you falling on my side of this issue in the past. I found it here.

You said:

Oldgringo wrote:

terryg wrote:

troglodyte wrote:2nd - why do we continue to inform companies that they have the wrong sign posted?

Again, it does not appear that the OP did this. He let them know that he didn't like their stated corporate anti-gun policy. He is encouraging us to do the same so that they will connect this policy with a negative impact on their bottom line. This is completely independent of the enforceability of any posted signs.

He did not inform them that their signs may be non-complaint. The distinction is very significant. I completely support his actions in this way.

You may be onto something. , there is a difference between mentioning generic policy as opposed to discussing specific signage. The offending businesses can be advised of our objections without having an invalid sign mentioned.

So what gives? You have a change of heart?

terryg wrote:

Embalmo wrote:I'm not going to reply to more than one thread at once, it's just too complicated.

Umm, ok.

Embalmo wrote:There is simply no pay-off to complaining about a non-compliant sign; but there is a risk that the sign may corrected. I often wonder why one shouldn't include a compliant 30.06 sign in the same envelope as the letter of complaint.

Well, all I can say is that I couldn't disagree more.

1. If there is no mention of the sign being non-compliant in the letter, there is no reason to think the letter will prompt them to suddenly discover the 'error of their verbiage'. If anything, by claiming (whether it actually does or not) that the sign turns away your business because you carry a gun, you are only confirming that the sign does what it is intended (by them) to do.

2. To say there is zero chance of a pay-off ignores the experience of forum members who, on at least two occasions that I have read, have in fact changed policy by complaining which resulted in signs being removed. IIRC, these were both actual 30.06 signs. (I would try to find them, but a search for 30.06 signs on this forum generates a LOT of hits. But one was a bank.)

Now I do agree, no offense to jamisjockey, that tone of his letter could have been improved.

Leroy wrote:I have to agree with the noncompliant sign...walk right past. Don't you think a franchise like Chuckee Cheese has lawyers out the ying yang that know exactly what is compliant and is not? It makes the sheeple feel better when they see it. My question is what the heck are you doing at chuckee cheese on your birthday..with NO kids? Sorry Uncle Fester..just had to ask.

i8godzilla wrote:

Embalmo wrote:An angry letter as a first coorespondance is probably not going get get favorable results. Best case scenario, it's ignored; worst case scenario, a new compliant sign is posted there and maybe other locations too.
Embalmo

What is the basis for this? I have written many an angry letter that has produced results. A few years back I even wrote CEC Entertainment about lack of service and poor quality food. They did respond; they called me.

I usually do not write nice touchy feelly letters when I complain.

rm9792 wrote:

Embalmo wrote:

Katygunnut wrote:

Embalmo wrote:Embalmo

This thread is very similar to a thread about Buffalo Wild Wings. I went there recently and they wanted us to give them $5 each for whatever was on the TV;
Embalmo

I dont get it. Who wanted $5 each for whatever was on what tv?