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- Sun Aug 18, 2013 3:50 pm
- Forum: Instructors' Corner
- Topic: Qualification w/40 rounds?
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Re: Qualification w/40 rounds?
he could have qualified the 2nd or third time. :)
- Sun Aug 18, 2013 10:17 am
- Forum: Instructors' Corner
- Topic: Qualification w/40 rounds?
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Re: Qualification w/40 rounds?
I think he was wrong to allow you to shoot 6 rounds and 'clean up'. :) The course of fire specifically says 5 rounds. LOL I know, they frequently 'penalize' you when you don't get off 20 rounds at 3 or 7 yards by requiring to to shoot them at 15. Personally, I don't. If you miscount or have a misfire or jam and can't clear it, you loose 5 points for every round NOT fired.
OTOH, they probably feel like it is safer for you to be out of ammo than to wander around the range w/a live round.
Personally, I think you are being too strict. I tell students that head shots are allowed, the are just only worth 3 points. I tell them to shoot the 'X' because cardboard targets cost $1 but the overlays are only $.10 and I don't want to tape up all the holes in the head. It usually gets a small laugh.
If someone failed me for head shots, I'd complain to DPS. If they don't want you to make head shots, they can easily make it a no-shoot.
The reason we were told that DPS changed to the B-27 target from the old TX-PT was they had troopers going for head shots - and missing. (A couple of rounds went through the cowboys hat but still missed the head. ) Personally? I think the new range officer just wanted to put his 'stamp' on the CHL program.
The B-27 target is more popular w/other agencies. AFAIK, DPS/CHL were the only ones that ever used the TX-PT target.
OTOH, they probably feel like it is safer for you to be out of ammo than to wander around the range w/a live round.
Personally, I think you are being too strict. I tell students that head shots are allowed, the are just only worth 3 points. I tell them to shoot the 'X' because cardboard targets cost $1 but the overlays are only $.10 and I don't want to tape up all the holes in the head. It usually gets a small laugh.
If someone failed me for head shots, I'd complain to DPS. If they don't want you to make head shots, they can easily make it a no-shoot.
The reason we were told that DPS changed to the B-27 target from the old TX-PT was they had troopers going for head shots - and missing. (A couple of rounds went through the cowboys hat but still missed the head. ) Personally? I think the new range officer just wanted to put his 'stamp' on the CHL program.
The B-27 target is more popular w/other agencies. AFAIK, DPS/CHL were the only ones that ever used the TX-PT target.
- Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:29 am
- Forum: Instructors' Corner
- Topic: Qualification w/40 rounds?
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Re: Qualification w/40 rounds?
What a jerk.
Glad you paid attention in the How to Avoid Conflict class. :)
Glad you paid attention in the How to Avoid Conflict class. :)
- Sat Jun 08, 2013 7:01 am
- Forum: Instructors' Corner
- Topic: Qualification w/40 rounds?
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Re: Qualification w/40 rounds?
If there were 40 holes inside the 8-ring and 8 in the head, I'd assume that 2 bullets went through an existing hole (or were so close it still looked like one hole). Sometimes, it's hard to tell if a hole was one bullet or 1+.
- Fri Jun 07, 2013 7:37 pm
- Forum: Instructors' Corner
- Topic: Qualification w/40 rounds?
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2 complete misses? Missed the target? Or 2 hold backs?
I've heard some scorers 'threaten' shooters when the center was shot out and they could not count the holes but the DPS range officers said you don't need to count the hits, only need to count the misses. If the x-ring, 10 ring is shot out, it's obvious (s)he can shoot.
Sounds to me like someone was being a jerk. Trying to punish someone for head shots.
I'd refuse to sign that score sheet. Make the DPS range officer count it for/with me.
Still, he'd have 2 more chance to qualify. :) Probably would NOT have a good attitude for the rest of the week.
I've heard some scorers 'threaten' shooters when the center was shot out and they could not count the holes but the DPS range officers said you don't need to count the hits, only need to count the misses. If the x-ring, 10 ring is shot out, it's obvious (s)he can shoot.
Sounds to me like someone was being a jerk. Trying to punish someone for head shots.
I'd refuse to sign that score sheet. Make the DPS range officer count it for/with me.
Still, he'd have 2 more chance to qualify. :) Probably would NOT have a good attitude for the rest of the week.
- Wed Jun 05, 2013 11:26 am
- Forum: Instructors' Corner
- Topic: Qualification w/40 rounds?
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Re: Qualification w/40 rounds?
If an instructor candidate chose to make head shots from the 15 yard line, he could still qualify (even if he had 1 clean miss from the closer distances). :)
- Wed Jun 05, 2013 10:58 am
- Forum: Instructors' Corner
- Topic: Qualification w/40 rounds?
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I had a friend draw a smiley face - at the DPS range. Course that might have been back when we were using TX-PT targets. :)
DPS used to discourage head shots - BECAUSE we were using paper target centers and head shots meant we had to tape up the holes outside the target repair. Now that we use new targets for both guns, they do not care if you want to play around w/head shots.
DPS used to discourage head shots - BECAUSE we were using paper target centers and head shots meant we had to tape up the holes outside the target repair. Now that we use new targets for both guns, they do not care if you want to play around w/head shots.