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Thanks for all you do (and have done.) :)

The point is once again you (or others) are conceptualizing based on what you feel is right or wrong, instead of living in the practicalities of the real world in having to deal with this issue. If open carry results in even one restriction of concealed carry, which it has, then the passing of open carry has served no purpose whatsoever. It is a Pyrric victory, and y'all have egg over your faces. Just admit it has been nothing more than a law passed to satisfy the egos of those who wanted to advertise that they carry a gun. It was stupid. THANKS A LOT!

The Moms that Demand action fought two things in the last session. They did not want OC and they did not like the restrictions on 30.06 signs. They wanted companies to be able to post/enforce 'gun buster' signs. They lost the OC fight. :) They forced the lege to look at 30.06. The lege realized that walking past a 30.06 sign was a Class A, was to severe a punishment and lowered it to a Class C, will NOT affect your LTC. :) They also decided that local governments that posted 30.06 signs could be fined $10,500 per day. :)

All in all, I think those changes are a big deal and well worth it. Even if there are 10 times many 30.06 signs. Sorry your employer is being so negative.

Arguing w/i the gun community is stupid. If you think that you just duck hunt so you don't care if they take machine guns, you don't care if they take my handgun, you don't care if they take my sniper rifles... Eventually, they will get around to your shotgun. :(

We are legal to be the first one shot in an active shooter situation. We are legal to raise gun fears in those who otherwise would be totally unaware of the presence of guns and safer for them being there. But, the proud and the few have rallied to push through this debacle that will end up getting more people hurt then helped. You know, there's the old saying that it's better to be silent and have people think of you as a fool than to open your mouth and confirm it for them. The same, I think, is true with firearms. It's better to conceal and not give away your defense than to reveal you carry and be the first one down.

The proud, the few? You mean the right and the just? LOL Where's your evidence? OC is the law in 45 states. How many OC have been assaulted? had their guns taken? been shot 'first'? been the first one 'down'?

Maybe you should take your own advice about no opening your mouth. :)

How many incidents have been avoided because someone OC'd? (Unfortunately, we'll never know. However, if you interview criminals, the main thing they fear is armed 'victims'.

The best thing about OC is those w/irrational 'gun fears' we be forced to deal with them. If they see more regular citizens carrying, they'll soon decide maybe guns are not so bad. (Or they will hole up in their house and get Kroger to deliver groceries. Either way, it's win/win. :) )

Mr business owner, why did you put up a 30.06 sign?
Who does it apply to? (HINT: Only LTC)
You realize it does NOT apply to criminals?
What does a LTC have to do before he licensed?
So you disarmed the LTC but did nothing to disarm the criminal? To protect the LTC?

Well, they probably would not want me on the jury either. :)

Any lawyer worth his salt would destroy that suit in five minutes. Mrs. Ruark, did you see the 30.06 sign in the window? Isn't that the reason that your husband disarmed? Didn't he know it was illegal to enter the store with his weapon? Yet, didn't you enter the store anyway, knowing that you were disarmed and that you might be in danger?

I could see the danger? And the store owner could not? Doesn't seem like that would work too well. :)

I have to respectfully disagree with you Russ that property rights are no less important than, the rights to protect oneself. Lets say you were hunting, got lost and ended up on some ranch. The property owner comes out of his house, raises a gun and points it at you. If he kills you, he goes to prison. If you kill him, you would go home.

???? You are trespassing? W/a gun? I suspect it is more likely you'd go to jail for shooting the property owner.

I disagree that his 'property rights' are equal importance to my self-defense rights. He can use deadly for to protect his property - in some cases, sometimes, only at night. I can protect myself 24/7. He wants to do business w/the public, he cannot discriminate for/against race, religion, creed, disability....and should not be able to discriminate against LTC's.

Instead of requiring metal detectors and security, simply change the law that if they disarm LTC's, they are strictly liable for any damages suffered by the LTC or his/her family.

But I can count on many occasions where I have worked /done business personally and professionally over the past several years that one day they were not posted and the next they were posted 30.06, all long before the passage of OC. In my view, I support OC and would rather have OC/Posting of more signs vs. Not having OC/Posting of more signs. That said, I supported all the good gun bills.

My experience has been 100% the other way. There were quite a few 30.06 signs back in '96 but they have been slowly going away.

I agree w/you that the new law changes (OC, $10.500 fine for cities, Class C misdemeanor, etc.) were well worth the few additional 30.06 signs. I suspect the 06/07 signs will come down too.

Tell that to the guys that can no longer carry at work. To the guys that now have to change their shopping routines, because the stores they've gone to for years are no longer available to them. The tradeoff might seem worthwhile to you, because it's had no impact on you personally. It might seem a lot less worthwhile to someone who has now had to disarm.

That's exactly what many of us are complaining about. The selfish demand for "rights" turns a blind eye to the impact it has on thousands of people's lives.

The 30.0630.07 signs were probably going up when ever we got OC. I doubt that OCT had much to do with the new signs. Who has to change shopping? You can disarm and shop or you can CC and shop. If you change shopping, it's your choice.

It sucks to not be able to carry at work. Should we deny OC because of the irrational reaction of a few businesses?

That problem could be solved by changing the text in the law and add a fine for incorrect posting!

??? How would you change the text? 30.06 sign text?

Do you want to fine a company that puts up a gun-buster sign? AFAIC, a 'No Guns' sign is just a placebo, put up top mollify the anti's, has no effect on me. It's a 'don't ask, don't tell' sign, a wink and a nod. "You know what I mean, I know you are carrying, let's not wake up the sheep."

Like many others, I felt like Grisham and OCT were over the top and were doing harm. I have decided (just my opinion), that they probably did not have a negative effect. Those that opposed OC, were still opposed. Maybe some in the middle switched their opinion. Probably some switched both ways.

We've been trying to get constitutional carry/OC for years. The fact is, it never went anywhere UNTIL these activists got involved. We got a lot of improvements this year (30.06 lowered to Class C, cities subject to $10.500 fines, Premises carry on 4 year public universities Aug 1, knife pre-emption, NFA law improved, LEO has to give you a chance to leave the TSA checkpoint). I never believed there was a chance for constitutional carry. I think licensed OC was the likely outcome. We may get constitutional carry in 4 to 6 years.

I don't know what you expected to get that was NOT passed.It seems to me, if there was a back-lash against/triggered by OCT, some of these improvements would not have passed.

Maybe the lege passed these hoping OCT would quit OC rifles. :) Actually, seems to have worked. I haven't seen any rallies w/rifles lately. :)

OK, there has been a proliferation of 30.06 signs. I think it's a worthwhile trade off, considering. YMMV

But can't we all just get along?