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by VoiceofReason
Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:14 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Long Arm of the government-ATF
Replies: 79
Views: 12956

Re: Long Arm of the government-ATF

baldeagle wrote:
Grammy wrote:
VoiceofReason wrote:One of the main reasons I like this web site is that members research stories like this rather than just take them as fact. The members maintain a high degree of respect for others plus Charles and the moderators do a good job of controlling radicals and troublemakers.

These things maintain a degree of integrity that is found on very few discussion boards. :tiphat:
I in now way meant to post an untrue event, I feel I have "egg on my face". I should have did more research. This won't happen again. I origingally saw the topic on GlockTalk, no excuses though.
Jim :patriot:
You do not have egg on your face. One of the values of a community like this is that it is self-correcting. If you post something you believe to be true, there will always be someone who will do research to confirm or refute it. As a computer security professional I constantly get "is this true" emails from my wife and others who have received the standard forwarded stuff. There is so much stuff out there on the internet that it's hard to know what's true and what's not. You can hardly be blamed for having assumed that the facts reported where true. The folks that have egg on their face are the ones promulgating falsehoods. Not you.
Grammy, as Baldeagle said, you have nothing to be embarrassed or feel bad about. I started my research to find out if Paul Copeland had a defence fund so I could contribute. The people on this board are probably among the very few that know this is a bogus story.

The “Campaign for Liberty” and other web sites that quoted them or posted a link to their site are the ones that should be ashamed. :mad5
by VoiceofReason
Sun Sep 05, 2010 9:39 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Long Arm of the government-ATF
Replies: 79
Views: 12956

Re: Long Arm of the government-ATF

More:

The original post stated “Austin P.D. used Copeland’s case as the reason to close down the gunshow, leading to a protest by Austin residents in front of APD headquarters on January 25.”

There was in fact a protest on January 25 but “Paul Copeland” was not mentioned in the only news story I could find concerning the protest.

http://www.austinchronicle.com/gyrobase ... oid:951395" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; mentions illegal buyers being arrested but not sellers being arrested.

This appears to be a good article to read as it gives a lot of information as to why the gun show was moved.

Just a little more info. :deadhorse:
by VoiceofReason
Sun Sep 05, 2010 8:24 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Long Arm of the government-ATF
Replies: 79
Views: 12956

Re: Long Arm of the government-ATF

One of the main reasons I like this web site is that members research stories like this rather than just take them as fact. The members maintain a high degree of respect for others plus Charles and the moderators do a good job of controlling radicals and troublemakers.

These things maintain a degree of integrity that is found on very few discussion boards. :tiphat:
by VoiceofReason
Sat Sep 04, 2010 8:40 am
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Long Arm of the government-ATF
Replies: 79
Views: 12956

Re: Long Arm of the government-ATF

baldeagle wrote:
chefkristian wrote:
baldeagle wrote:Not to rain on anyone's parade, but a search of court cases for the Texas Western District Federal court for Copeland and ATF or just Copeland returns zero results. I also can't find a single legitimate news outlet that reported the story, including the Austin Statesman. A search for ATF at the District Court site returns numerous hits, most recently a case dated 3/11/2010 and styled PETER MORALES vs. LT. MARTIN. I'm thinking this story is either bogus or a lot of the details are wrong.

EDIT: There's also are no press releases in 2010 matching the details of this supposed case. There is also only one press release in 2009 that matches in very broad detail, the description of this case. Without something more definitive than blog posts and a radio station story, I'd say this story is bogus.

EDIT2: There's also no press release on the ATF site, and there are zero hits using the advanced search feature to find mentions of "Paul Copeland".
As posted in the TSRA WEBSITE

https://www.tsra.com/index.php?option=c ... Itemid=113" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

As posted on an Austin Talk Radio website:

http://www.590klbj.com/News/Story.aspx?id=1272077" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The talk radio website has none of the details posted in the story linked by the OP. The TSRA story is dramatically different than the story linked by the OP. His name isn't Paul Copeland. It's C.B. Copeland. Furthermore, the TSRA version clearly shows that he knew or should have known he was conducting a straw purchase. The gun show has not been shut down. It merely moved to another location. There is no racial profiling component in either story you linked.

The original story is clearly bogus and intended to inflame. If you want to win arguments with anti-gunners, step one is to be honest. That story is clearly not.
I agree. :iagree: I am still researching this story and will continue to do so today as time allows.

Any site that posts a bogus story or repeats it without verifying it just hurts their credibility in the long term.

I searched many of the same sites as you and can find no confirmation of the original story.
by VoiceofReason
Fri Sep 03, 2010 10:25 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Long Arm of the government-ATF
Replies: 79
Views: 12956

Re: Long Arm of the government-ATF

I have been searching for information on this. I could only find this on blogs and they all seem to point to or quote http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog.php?view=38088" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The closest I have been able to come to this is http://www.justice.gov/usao/txw/press_r ... ms_sen.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Maybe we should look at this a little closer before forming an opinion.

I will continue to research. If anyone else finds other info, please post.
by VoiceofReason
Fri Sep 03, 2010 8:58 pm
Forum: Gun and/or Self-Defense Related Political Issues
Topic: Long Arm of the government-ATF
Replies: 79
Views: 12956

Re: Long Arm of the government-ATF

Wish I had researched this before posting. :oops: How do you delete a post? :headscratch

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