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by marksiwel
Fri Oct 30, 2009 3:40 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: National Guard Base
Replies: 26
Views: 4679

Re: National Guard Base

bburgi wrote:It doesn't matter where an individual's paycheck comes from. Personally my full time orders are ADOS - Active Duty Operational Support - and funding comes directly from the state. AGR personnel are also paid via state funds (Title 32 active duty), but Technicians (GS-scale) are federally funded. I've attached a link to the memo that I mentioned which addresses the weapons policy for Camp Mabry. https://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B_ ... NTlh&hl=en Here are a couple of applicable quotes in case anyone has trouble downloading the file:
"Pursuant to Texas state law, residents have the right to possess a privately owned weapon as long as that possession conforms to applicable state statues and the law. Additionally, many personnel have applied for, and been granted, permits to carry concealed weapons. Since Camp Mabry is a state installation and not a federal enclave (such as Fort Hood), the Texas Military Forces has an obligation to follow the Texas state statutes when implementing policies and procedures."
"All TXMF personnel... civilian visitors and contractors... may possess a weapon in a locked glove compartment box or locked trunk of the vehicle on Texas Military Forces' installations...

...Failure to comply will subject the individual to notice that their failure to secure the weapon... constitutes a trespass in violation of Texas state law."
Notice that this passage mentions Texas Military Forces' installations, not just Camp Mabry. That would include all national guard armories around the state.


This is all based on what I've see in writing. I don't claim to know all the answers, I just work around this stuff all the time. If anyone has documentation contrary to this, I'd be interested in seeing it. Purplehood; when you say they are considered Federal facilities, where are you getting that from? Not trying to shoot you down, genuinely curious. There are no signs that say Federal property, our facilities funding is state-based, and our policies all reflect a state facility status.
Awesome thanks for the info!
by marksiwel
Mon Oct 26, 2009 9:53 am
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: National Guard Base
Replies: 26
Views: 4679

Re: National Guard Base

davlanders wrote:National Guard Armories are federally owned and you are lucky they did not confiscate your firearm. They are generally not allowed on federal military grounds.
Well I wasn't IN the base yet, they make you check in, and all that, I would have just turned around if they started with that foolishness. The Guards there aren't military, or police, they are Rent-a-cops
by marksiwel
Tue Oct 20, 2009 9:35 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: National Guard Base
Replies: 26
Views: 4679

Re: National Guard Base

Well if the National Guard is a Federal Entity, then I guess that takes the wind out of the sales of "Militias mean State National Guard" crowd.

But if its State property, I was disarmed in a possible violation of the law.

I wonder what the rule is for National Guardsmen who live on Base?

Looking at the Wikipedia Article on it
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_G ... ted_States" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The National Guard of the United States is a reserve military force composed of state National Guard militia members or units under federally recognized active or inactive armed force service for the United States.

I wonder if this means as a Governor you could refuse to send your National Guard Unit overseas?

Its actually an interesting read, they even go into "State defense Forces"
by marksiwel
Tue Oct 20, 2009 5:18 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: National Guard Base
Replies: 26
Views: 4679

National Guard Base

About a year ago I went to a National Guard base in Austin.
At the gate they (private security) made me open my trunk, and asked me if I had any weapons in the car. I told them I had a pistol in the glove compartment. They made me remove the ammo and store the pistol in my trunk.

SO what that legal?

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