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austinrealtor wrote:

chabouk wrote:

Keith B wrote:

chabouk wrote:See where I'm going? The argument is the same. Some of those things are illegal in Texas, while others are illegal in other states. Where do you draw the line? I draw it at personal responsibility and accountability for your own actions, instead of punishing or restricting people based on what someone else might do.

I don't see consistency at all. I am stating that carry while intoxicated should be illegal (as it is) and no different than operating a motor vehicle.

The difference is that having a gun is not the same as operating a gun. To be consistent, you should want people charged with DWI for having car keys in their pockets even if there's no evidence they intended to drive.

Another illogical analogy. A drunk with car keys is the same as a drunk with bullets. Without the car/gun, you're not going to do much damage with either.

And I was always taught that as soon as you load a firearm and place it in your hands (or holster), you are in effecting "using" the firearm until you unload it and/or store it. People who find out for first time that I carry concealed often ask "wow, have you ever used you gun?" and I always answer "I use it every day".

This active mindset - I am USING a gun right now - is what keeps me safe while carrying a deadly weapon on my person.

chamberc wrote:

marksiwel wrote:

chamberc wrote:

5thGenTexan wrote: Driving a car isn't a protected right in the US Constitution, carrying a firearm is.

You have a right to travel, that cant be taken away from you without due process. Its not in the constitution but it was in the Articles of the Federation. The founding fathers just didnt see a reason to include a right that seemed so basic.

Traveling is not the same as driving. We do prohibt everyone from driving without a license.

Comparing driving to carrying a firearm is not valid, and even dangerous. Driving is not a right in the constitution, whereas bearing firearms is.

chamberc wrote:

5thGenTexan wrote: Driving a car isn't a protected right in the US Constitution, carrying a firearm is.

mr.72 wrote:what's with all of the "trade one infringement for another" or "make this infringement worse while making this other one less".

The powers of government are conferred from the people. That means whatever power the government has, the people have. There is no power the government has which is higher than that of the people. This is a basic principle upon which this country is founded. So a police officer having the power to open-carry a gun anywhere is a power conferred by the people, and implicitly is a power which is held also by the people. A soldier having the power to carry a select-fire M16 is a power granted by the people, without the exclusion of the people who grant it. All of these CHL laws and the entire concept of having to get a license to do something for which we have a natural right, infringement of which is prohibited by the 2nd Amendment, is all 100% infringement.

There is no age restriction in the 2A. There is no range qualification. None of that. The whole set of CHL laws needs to be completely repealed and we need to amend the TX Constitution. This whole debate about intensifying or rearranging the state of infringement is just getting sort-of in bed with the antis, disarming ourselves willfully of our resolve, which will be followed by our willful disarmament of our arms.