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Dragonfighter wrote:
Starting with establishment of a government run health care system, you now have health care decisions including end of life decisions in the hands of committees made up of bureaucrats. .

UpTheIrons wrote:

texas1234 wrote:Mark there is no question he is not a moron. Obama is brilliant!

No, Obama is NOT stupid. Frustrated and angry that not everyone is still on the bandwagon, but by no means stupid. Remember what he said just before the election? "We are five days away from FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMING this country!"

Most of the hangers-on thought that meant nebulous 'hope' and 'change' that wasn't from the R's. Those who looked more closely then (and now) realize that he meant to fundamentally change the structure of the nation to fit his vision:

Reparations for slavery are a no-go, because they don't go far enough.
This leads to: Wealth redistribution, because it is the only way to be 'fair.' (Joe the Plumber discussion)
Single-payer (gov't run) health care is the eventual goal, but can't be the first step because it will be "ten or fifteen years before we can eliminate private insurance." (Said while he was still a senator [or was he still a state senator then?])
All guns must be taken away from individuals. (No quotes handy, but there are plenty of them out there).

There are a lot more things he's said/pledged/promised. Remember that he's like a magician. Sleight of hand is the rule. If you watch the right hand too much, the left one will have free reign to wreak all sorts of havoc (Czars, regulations, etc.).

wgoforth wrote:Whadda ya bet the health bill would mandate no guns in the house for the health of the chill-drin? He who controls the health of a nation controls every aspect of a nation.

texas1234 wrote:No it wasnt sarcasm. I truly believe that. Remember park carry was a rider in a bigger bill he wanted. Since the President cant have a line item veto he has to pass bills he wants with what has been included, park carry was a very small portion of a bill he wanted. You are right on the 2nd term, but I also believe that he will go after guns through regulatory policy that doesnt require legislation. I dont think he is a moron I think he is smart like a fox, and you have to remember his ideology is foriegn to many Americans, and so many Americans want to label him as inexperienced. I believe that once we all realize that he is doing everything he intends to do because he has an agenda we will all be better off. If we keep labeling him as stupid we are going to pay a dear price. Remember he wants to "transform" America.

texas1234 wrote:Mark there is no question he is not a moron. Obama is brilliant!

texas1234 wrote:I just keep waiting for Obama's head to spin in a 360 and throw up green stuff while he does the spider crawl down the stairs! The fact that he hasnt gone after guns yet is scary.

Salty1 wrote:Tomorrow is the big day in Washington DC, the McDonald vs Chicago will be heard by SCOTUS. I need to look at the TV guide later on and see if it will be carried live. I want to be able to listen to the arguments if at all possible. If anybody knows or has any web links to it, please post for the rest of us....