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Good points Mr.72.

I think if we boil everything down, it comes down to DPS and making money. Right? I mean, DPS is not going to do something (i.e. make a change) unless it is going to yield them a) less work or b) more money. Am I right??

So I'm guessing DPS is just overloaded right now with CHL processing and rather they've been hiring more people too - spending more money - so they likely are trying to find ways to reduce the amount of overhead. I don't think changes to the instruction delivery will change much if anything (except increase their costs in the form of web design/support). It is the paper processing which they need to improve and make more efficient. Maybe they should use scantron instead of making the forms the way they are now where basically a person has to see if it is a checkmark, read what is written, refer to other materials, etc.. I dunno, I don't even really see a fool-proof way to automate that. A lot of it could be subjective too. Their policies on getting a CHL are very complex especially if someone had a previous conviction of some sort. I think this is the crux of the issue and I will again point out, moving the courses online does not really solve this problem, it is just less work for the instructor which is not really the issue right now.

chabouk wrote:This forum's members are not a representative sample of people who have taken and passed a Texas CHL course. Just being here proves they're interested in more than the basics, so they're not typical, at all.

Look at all the examples we have of duly-licensed CHLs (and CHL instructors!) who don't really know what the law is. How many times have we seen people who have had a CHL since '96 ask about hospitals and churches, since "the law says those are off limits"? How many threads have there been about the post office?

I really do think this is the best-educated gun forum when it comes to one state's specific laws, but birds of a feather flock together. The other birds (those without a clue) are flittering about all over the state, still stuck in the mindset of "if you shoot a burglar and he falls out the window, you better drag him inside!"

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or what but I know when I took my CHL class, there was a kid in there who barely looked 18 (I'm sure he was 21 though, as at the end of the day his TR-100 paperwork was finalized and he passed the tests), he barely spoke English (he said he was a Russian immigrant), and had never handled a gun before in his entire life - he both said this and also demonstrated this when we got to the range portion of the day.

It's funny, several years ago when I was a "gun novice" I took heard/thought about things like "if you shoot him, drag him inside" - I have not once ever came across any stipulations or points in the penal code about differences between a shoot inside or outside your house.

Agreed, but one could also argue that the knowledge gained from the class is truly how one would defende themselves (both physically and legally). Also, some people are stupid enough to kill themselves w/out formal training, thus taking the class helps to protect them from them.

Furthermore, mandating such a training helps to protect ME from them and their stupidity, so thusly I would vote to keep having such formal classes and organization around the CHL license.

How long does the test take and what is its level of difficulty? What is a passing score?
The test consists of 20 questions of different types: True/False, Multiple Choice, and Fill-In-The-Blank.

Thank Gawd I don't live in Virginia!

OK, I think that makes sense, I had heard some of this in the context of Instructors.

I couldn't agree more, this would be VERY DANGEROUS if it were to happen, but you never know. I think the paperwork and red tape of CHL is annoying DPS too much, so I hope they are not seriously considering this (to reduce paperwork/load).

I'm hearing rumors that in the future, CHL classes may be taught online??

Anyone heard anything like this?