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joe817 wrote:

XtremeDuty.45 wrote:

5.0 svo wrote:I can offer a point of view that most of you can not

C'mon ya'll. He was right about one thing. He offered us a point of view most of us cannot offer!

Boy howdy! with that totally!

I know! He was a Brady Campaign plant to spread disinformation! Hey, weren't we talking about terrorist tactics yesterday?

I must be the first one on this board to believe you should only kill someone if it is in self defense. I'm special ed!

Well it seems maybe I was wrong about this forum. I think anyone that has any morals is prolly to scared to speak up. You guys ever watch the show Dexter? It can teach you a few things about morals if you have an uncontrollable urge to kill people. Do you know why Dexter is a hero in that show? Cause he only kills people if they are killers, if it is self defense, or if it is a mercy killing.
Are we on the verge of martial law? Cause when you can kill somebody when its dark and be a hero or kill them during the day and be a murderer, sounds like martial law to me.
I am sure you guys want me to stop voicing my opinion now so I am out.

killerfly128 wrote:

5.0 svo wrote:Oh well at least I have shown that I have good morals.

By committing a felony and breaking your probation?

Right stealing beer out of a beer truck is worse than murder.

XtremeDuty.45 wrote:

5.0 svo wrote:FORT WORTH — A suspected burglar was killed and another injured when police say they kicked in the door of a southeast Fort Worth home Friday morning and were met by gunfire by the homeowner.

The shooting occurred about 11:30 a.m. in the 4400 block of Shackleford Street.

Sgt. Pedro Criado, police spokesman, said it appears that the two suspected burglars had just entered the home when the homeowner fired an unknown number of rounds at both men.

One of the suspects ran around the side of the house where he collapsed onto Collin Street. He was pronounced dead at the scene, reportedly from a gunshot wound to the head..

The other suspect, Criado said, ran to the men’s apparent get-away vehicle, a red Ford Explorer parked on Shackleford Street, where the homeowner again opened fire.

Police radio reports indicate that the suspect suffered gunshot wounds to the shoulder and head. He was taken by ambulance to a local hospital in unknown condition.

The homeowner’s brother said Friday’s burglary attempt was the fourth his brother’s family had endured since moving in about a year ago.

The homeowner was being questioned Friday afternoon but has not been arrested. Police are continuing their investigation, Criado said

Well lets see...their first mistake was...BREAKING THE LAW!

and if you believe everything that is reported that is your first mistake.

Your telling me that I should not believe the news article? So if the news article was true then there is a possibility of foul play? Because if I am not mistaken that was the topic of this thread which was posted by a police lieutenant.

You know what, I think those guys are messing with me. Prolly a made up news article. Either that are the reporter is trying to raise suspicions.

Oh well at least I have shown that I have good morals.

FORT WORTH — A suspected burglar was killed and another injured when police say they kicked in the door of a southeast Fort Worth home Friday morning and were met by gunfire by the homeowner.

The shooting occurred about 11:30 a.m. in the 4400 block of Shackleford Street.

Sgt. Pedro Criado, police spokesman, said it appears that the two suspected burglars had just entered the home when the homeowner fired an unknown number of rounds at both men.

One of the suspects ran around the side of the house where he collapsed onto Collin Street. He was pronounced dead at the scene, reportedly from a gunshot wound to the head..

The other suspect, Criado said, ran to the men’s apparent get-away vehicle, a red Ford Explorer parked on Shackleford Street, where the homeowner again opened fire.

Police radio reports indicate that the suspect suffered gunshot wounds to the shoulder and head. He was taken by ambulance to a local hospital in unknown condition.

The homeowner’s brother said Friday’s burglary attempt was the fourth his brother’s family had endured since moving in about a year ago.

The homeowner was being questioned Friday afternoon but has not been arrested. Police are continuing their investigation, Criado said

If the police can release info saying that the man was running to his getaway car then they can tell us why it was justifiable.
Tell me why they are now posting my DL# and name on the same thread? I am starting to fear for my own life as well.

XtremeDuty.45 wrote:

5.0 svo wrote:

joe817 wrote:

How would you relate this to say street racing? Its illegal to street race and they are putting your life in danger as well as their own life.

It does not relate at all, in my opinion. Street racing is illegal yes. But it is not deliberate aggression and violence directed at you, or anyone else. Unless of course they are aiming their car right at you, intent on doing you bodily injury or death.

There is no justification in using deadly force against someone you observe street racing.

Read Chapter 2 of the Handbook issued to all CHL holders. It is dedicated to deadly force statutes:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/LS-16.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Those people on the other forums are complete idiots, and will spend a VERY long time in prison if they ever commit an act like they brag about doing. They are obviously ignorant of the laws.

I agree with you on most of that. But would you say that everyone that breaks into your home has intentions of doing bodily harm? If their intentions are other than stealing then you would call them a murderer or a rapist etc, not a burglar.

I dont know what their intentions are exactly and I dont care to find out.
You break into my home you have intentions to do something wrong. Just because he/she intends to "just" burglarize does not mean that they will not escalate to murder.
I am not gonna take the time to ask them their exact intentions.
I have a family and I will protect them at all costs.
I will not feel bad for stopping a threat to my family.
You wanna break the law you have to be willing to pay the consequences .

But would you chase someone out of your house and finish them on the street?

NTexas_V-Star wrote:Guys, be careful with 5.0 SVO. He's not giving the whole story of his actions/attitude/stance from the other forum. Just a FYI.

Come on dude we are trying to have a respectable conversation about this topic. I can offer a point of view that most of you can not. I am not a criminal. I do not break into peoples homes or anything else for that matter. I would be willing to take a lie detector test to prove it. Before anyone even starts throwing dirt into the fire I will tell you this. I was convicted of a crime I committed 18+ years ago. Burglary of a motor vehicle. I stole beer out of a beer truck. I was caught with a pistol in the car while I was on probation.
I have spent over 3 years in college. I have over 130+ college credit hours. My IQ is above average and I believe people can learn from their mistakes. Thank you for your time. You guys are very respectable on this forum.

joe817 wrote:

How would you relate this to say street racing? Its illegal to street race and they are putting your life in danger as well as their own life.

It does not relate at all, in my opinion. Street racing is illegal yes. But it is not deliberate aggression and violence directed at you, or anyone else. Unless of course they are aiming their car right at you, intent on doing you bodily injury or death.

There is no justification in using deadly force against someone you observe street racing.

Read Chapter 2 of the Handbook issued to all CHL holders. It is dedicated to deadly force statutes:

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/ftp/forms/LS-16.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Those people on the other forums are complete idiots, and will spend a VERY long time in prison if they ever commit an act like they brag about doing. They are obviously ignorant of the laws.

I agree with you on most of that. But would you say that everyone that breaks into your home has intentions of doing bodily harm? If their intentions are other than stealing then you would call them a murderer or a rapist etc, not a burglar.

5.0 svo wrote:

randomoutburst wrote:I agree, I think that among those carrying a weapon there should be more concern for life than one's own. That said, I also believe that if someone threatens my life, they have decided that neither their life nor my life is important to them and would not hesitate to shoot in defense of my life - because I care about my life, even if my attacker does not.

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How would you relate this to say street racing? Its illegal to street race and they are putting your life in danger as well as their own life.

Here is one of the comments someone made about the whole situation. This is the kinda people I have been arguing with.


"So your opinion is to let the maggot go, send him to prison for a couple of months if that and hope he doesn't do it again?
OR is the next step to spend MORE taxpayer money on the scumbag and try to "reform" the dummy.

You sound like a Democrap and your half wit line of thinking is what messed up this country in the first place. You need to run for political office... no wait... you can't because you are a crook yourself.
The cheapest thing to do is have open season hunting on illegals, unemployed hobos and ex-cons like yourself. It would save tax payer money in the long run and create more American jobs.

That planet of the apes looking family you voted for would probably let you work for them."

randomoutburst wrote:I agree, I think that among those carrying a weapon there should be more concern for life than one's own. That said, I also believe that if someone threatens my life, they have decided that neither their life nor my life is important to them and would not hesitate to shoot in defense of my life - because I care about my life, even if my attacker does not.

I have never been forced to draw on another human being and I hope I don't ever have to. I know that presented with a living, breathing human and not a paper silhouette I would have a surge of emotion (especially in the aftermath)...but I also know that should it be a life-or-death situation I would choose my life over an attacker's.

I would like to add that I've always been taught/told that in Western days it was actually very common to shoot another man in the back. They didn't have honorable "quick draw" shoot outs like in the movies. ;)

Welcome to the forum and I'm glad you joined! Hope to see you around frequently.

I agree with you 100%. My life is more valuable to me then almost anyone that would threaten my life. But... I feel like if I took another mans life unnecessarily then I would never be able to forgive myself.
Read the link I posted and tell me what you think.

Here is a link to the story.
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/1742465.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Did you guys hear about the shooting in Ft Worth. 2 men invaded a home and were shot and killed. Both (maybe just 1)of them died outside. 1 was trying to get in his car and the home owner chased him out to his car and unloaded on him. The other died in the street I believe.
The news story doesnt have very good details. Anyone got any info on that?

I have been listening to some gun owners (on another website)talking about killing criminals just because they can and I am down right disgusted. How could anyone get pleasure from taking another mans life?
The law defines murder (one of the ten commandments). And depending on if its daylight or dark can make you a hero or a murderer. I think the common denominator should always be you were in fear for your life. 18 years ago I was a criminal and it was because I didnt know any better. I am not trying to justify anything. I just think that the punishment should fit the crime, or atleast the intent of the crime.