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http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/go+to+the+dogs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

irony

SRSLY, you can't make this stuff up...

#FleaParty name turns out to be more accurate than we thought
#OCCUPY protestors elect dog as leader- he poops and sleeps where he wants, never works; so he's a role model
soon we'll have dogs running in the streets, pooping everywhere, sleeping in parks, with no money in banks

http://gawker.com/5857715/pressured-to- ... elects-dog" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Pressured to Name Leader, Occupy Denver Elects Dog

elected in a "landslide vote"

Occupy Denver elects a new leader: Shelby, a Border Collie mix
http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/20 ... er_dog.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mamabearCali wrote:Really? They were really working on that? I thought that was just a strange report among all the other strange reports. Cause that worked so well the first time oh about 150 years ago. And that was with geographical unity, natural resources, etc etc. Really I think these guys (the majority of them anyway) have 0 sense of history. .

yeah

seceding http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/29/occup ... ed-states/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
update-
not seceding http://dcist.com/2011/10/occupy_dc_plan ... m_dc_u.php" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

See, if they seceded, naturally they'd have to give up tax exempt status
IRONY ALERT: Occupy Wall St Gets Tax Exempt Status http://t.co/ve5Ylq9E" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

mamabearCali wrote:The occupiers here in Richmond VA got the boot last night. Nine arrested. Happily because they cleared them out at 1 am most were too sleepy (and cold) to do much more than shuffle out to the sidewalk with what what they could carry.

OccupyDC now denies that they'll secede and apparently stopped working on their Constitution ... I think they figured out if they did it would be an occupation by a foreign government here... that might not turn out well for them

I don't disagree with the flat income tax. My only problem is that those who hide income now would still escape the flat tax. I want illegal immigrants and drug dealers to pay their share.

No matter what tax system you set up, you won't always get
1) those paid under the table" on Income tax

but you also won't get

2) those buying stolen/smuggled goods on a sales tax.

So the argument could be your example illegals and drug dealers are likely to escape a sales tax on the black market goods they buy, whereas employers would have to withhold and they'd pay tax on their paid income. Since more illegals are employed than buy/sell illegal items more would pay an income tax (employer holds it) than a sales tax when they report the illegal sale of the stolen/black market/smuggled "new" item, which of course, they won't report.

The "fair" tax encourages buying black market and stolen goods if you want "new" items ... quite a goal.
Tax on spending will increase smuggling, as buying off the Internet is done by many to avoid sales taxes now, we'll see more smuggling to avoid sales taxes.

increasing investing also promotes economic growth

Another consequence:
As sales of "new items" decreases, businesses will suffer, have less income to reinvest, and less income to hire employees to sell to the fewer people buying "new" so they'll need to manufacture less and lay offs will be eminent, putting less $ in circulation so even fewer buy "new"... from there it just repeats the layoff-higher unemployment/fewer buying new/manufacture less/sell less "new" cycle in a downhill spiral.

So, by taxing "new" items sold, crimes will increase, unemployment will increase, business revenue will decrease, business reinvestment will decrease, overall tax revenues will decrease as everyone buys more smuggled "new" goods and sales through legal channels decrease and salesmen/distribution centers close and they'll not have incomes so they buy less and so factories close ... but Mexico will have an incentive to smuggle more items in; and those who would rather spend (New LED TV) 33 watts of electricity than (used TV) 200 watts of electricity on a monthly bill so they can buy more food with the money saved ... would be tempted to buy those untaxed "new" goods. Of course the rich don't care if they do spend 200 or 600 watts per hour on electricity or get 5 gallons per mile as they can afford it, but they'll be buying the new energy saving models, while poor are forced to buy things which cost more in the long run with energy costs and maintenance of their "used-energy wasting" purchases, or ... they can buy black market "new" items and save energy/maintenance costs and eat better foods with the money saved-similar to how many buy over the Internet now..

Lower income earners also tend to buy more used items and less new items, used items would not be taxed, therefore low income earners also get a break there

1) dunno if the premise is true or not "Lower income earners also tend to buy more used items and less new items"
Most "poor" I know tend to buy new items so they'll not have to pay for multiple repairs soon, and that saves money.

I imagine lower income earners prefer to buy new durable goods" but will be restricted by this to buying used items because of this new "penalty" I disagree that there is anything "fair" about increasing taxes on poor while decreasing taxes for the rich. Sounds like "common sense gun law" type of word choosing of using the opposite label of what something is to promote it.

2) New "Penalties" called getting a break? Poor forced to buy hand-me-downs when they'd prefer a new car/dishwasher/appliance but now must get a used one they'll pay more for in repairs sooner and pay more for utilities/gas than if they bought new?

Also, which Poor person would NOT rather have a "new" LED TV using 30 watts of electricity than a "used" TV using 200 watts, or a new car getting 40 mpg than a used car needing repairs and getting 13 mpg? Yeah, penalize them even more in these ways with unintended consequences creating more spending by the poor as a % of income than it would on the higher income group.

Sales taxes are generally regressive. Flat % of tax on income is "fair"
Taxing spending leads to hoarding, such that persons with income brackets like Bill Gates would hoard rather than spend. And, the rich get richer, and the poor pay more % of their income on "luxuries" like an air conditioner filter than Bill does.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regressive_tax" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Math itself doesn't discriminate, but it does prove 9% of 13,000 year spent when one's income is 13,500 a year is a much greater tax burden/makes life harder on that guy than 9% of 13,000 a year spent by Bill Gates whose income billions each year. Rewarding the rich for hoarding isn't going to help the economy/create jobs etc when most of the money won't get spent here. Taxing re-investment to upgrade a businesses machinery etc, will discourage it. Perhaps businesses can buy less safe older equipment and avoid the sales tax, at the expense of worker safety.

Since some are learning that the jail is warm and has food ... I hope they continue drafting their Constitution, but they may want to take a history/Government Course first, (1775, my goodness, it was adopted in 1787) perhaps some executive order could be done to make those classes free for non-citizens or "those about to be"

Hopefully, they'll succeed in seceding and not be part of our Country... then.... they won't be able to vote in our elections.

Occupy DC to secede from the United States

They are drafting a Constitution

(He thinks USA drafted Constitution in 1775, poor uneducated fellow)

VIDEO and Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/10/29/occup ... z1cB6ZruJO" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

IT’S JUST WEALTH-REDISTRIBUTION, MAN:

Somebody cleaned out the PayPal account of “Occupy Portland” and it looks like an inside job. http://theothermccain.com/2011/10/28/sm ... ipped-off/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fights erupt among Occupy Wall Street protesters
http://content.usatoday.com/communities ... otesters/1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


So, NOW they support property rights? Well, only their stuff.

OWS protestor woke up ...

Direction: Instead of Police cars, Indoor plumbing rocks, Laxatives help, Baby Wipes aren't "free" nor communal property--->>> ‘occupier’ calls it quits: ‘I NEED A SIMPLE MOVEMENT with a direction’ http://tinyurl.com/3zl5a42" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Most of the crowd is gone from Austin City Hall today too ... it might get cold.

fishman wrote:

RPB wrote:I had mentioned earlier in the week about using firefighting helicopters and dropping Fabreeze so protesters wouldn't need a shower ... but reality is funnier

Air Force One drops _____ on Occupy Las Vegas Camp .... all that was left was "a smelly brown residue"

http://patdollard.com/2011/10/air-force ... egas-camp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Thats the funniest thing I've heard today.

They should fly over again .... they missed 99% of them
I mean they want it to be fair right?

Kirk wrote:but witnesses report that the blue ice had melted by the time officials arrived leaving only a smelly brown residue.

First thing our Pres has done or been involved that I agree with!!

I had mentioned earlier in the week about using firefighting helicopters and dropping Fabreeze so protesters wouldn't need a shower ... but reality is funnier

Air Force One drops _____ on Occupy Las Vegas Camp .... all that was left was "a smelly brown residue"

http://patdollard.com/2011/10/air-force ... egas-camp/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

OWS protest in Tehran Iran
Showing support for the OWS protestors in America with ...


"Down with Capitalists"
"Death to America" "
while doing the Hitler type salute and ... burning the flag of Israel.

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There's a Howard Stern recording I won't post a link to because of language where he went and surveyed the "morons" but

OWS Protesters who are female prefer males who bought and OCCUPY tents, rather than those with only tarps, proving they are Capitalists.



One girl who has a house, and goes home to feed the cat stated that she poops anywhere as long as she has baby wipes; she wants to "abolish money" and have everything "rationed" Howard mentioned rationing the free baby wipes? Like in Russia?....

I recall people standing in line in Russia due to toilet paper rationing and not getting any for a month

Another talk show host had an older Russian immigrant call in who spoke with thick accent and was saying he just moved away from that, and OWS morons don't know what they are asking for.

News tonight showed them marching to Bank of America to all withdraw all their money to cause a run on the bank, like in the Depression..

One guy said "I withdrew my life's savings"

I'm wondering if he'll leave it in his sleeping bag, or spend that $3.00 on more posterboard and magic markers.
By December he may want a Coleman sleeping bag and tent from Academy or WalMart instead of a Tarp ...

Lower right corner of this web page has "Schedule of Events" through at least Jan 2012, but I thought the world was supposed to end before that http://occupyaustin.org/general-assembly/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm thinking of opening a booth to sell stuff to them, posterboard, Markers,. coleman stoves etc and capitalize off the anti-capitalists .. Cash only (no checks from closed accounts)