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by seamusTX
Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:57 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Gun as a Gift
Replies: 25
Views: 2725

Re: Gun as a Gift

I understand your situation and what you are trying to accomplish, but consider this scenario: What if a member of the Crips buys a firearm and "stores" it at the home of a relative in another state for the relative to perhaps use every once in a while—for gang business?

The legal intent of the Gun Control Act of 1968, which is where this particular hangup in the law comes from, was to make that a criminal act.

I'm not defending the law. I think it is practically useless except for occasionally prosecuting gun-runners who have committed no other crime that can be proved in court. But we're stuck with it.

I think you could accomplish your goal by buying a gift certificate (I guess they're cards nowadays) at a sporting goods store and taking your father there to purchase his own weapon. That would be completely copacetic.

Again, I think this law is useless, but it is the law and can be prosecuted while all kinds of other criminal activity goes under the radar.

- Jim
by seamusTX
Tue Aug 16, 2011 8:06 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Gun as a Gift
Replies: 25
Views: 2725

Re: Gun as a Gift

I'm just asking about video games. There seems to be a patchwork of state and local laws about them.

The situation is similar for alcoholic beverages. Parents can serve alcoholic beverages to their minor children, and an adult spouse can serve alcohol to a minor spouse :shock: (ABC 106.04). But you can't legally buy a keg for a bunch of kids to have a beer bash.

(I'm not for a moment suggesting that children should be getting drunk or anywhere near it. Consumption of wine with meals and during religious ceremonies is an ancient tradition.)

- Jim
by seamusTX
Tue Aug 16, 2011 7:46 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Gun as a Gift
Replies: 25
Views: 2725

Re: Gun as a Gift

Are video games controlled by age? I've heard talk of something similar to movie ratings for "adult" content and violence.

I don't know anyone young enough to worry about it.

- Jim
by seamusTX
Tue Aug 16, 2011 1:00 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Gun as a Gift
Replies: 25
Views: 2725

Re: Gun as a Gift

FFLs are trained to detect straw sales, and various agencies (including Michael Bloomberg's stooges) run stings. You can't blame FFLs for being cautious.

All you are obligated to do is show ID, fill out the 4473 truthfully, and hand over the money. Probably the FFL just wants to complete the sale and isn't interested in whether you are going to give the weapon to your mother-in-law or use it as a back scratcher. ;-)

- Jim
by seamusTX
Tue Aug 16, 2011 12:48 pm
Forum: General Texas CHL Discussion
Topic: Gun as a Gift
Replies: 25
Views: 2725

Re: Gun as a Gift

Long story short, if you purchase a firearm, it belongs to you. You can legally sell it or give it away five minutes later (to a resident of the same state who can legally possess a firearm).

A straw purchase is characterized by a person who cannot legally purchase a firearm soliciting another person to make the purchase. Often the purchaser is a girlfriend or relative who has not been convicted of a felony (yet).

Here is what the BATFE has to say:
Questions have arisen concerning the
lawfulness of firearms purchases from
licensees by persons who use a "straw
purchaser" (another person) to acquire
the firearms. Specifically, the actual
buyer uses the straw purchaser to execute
the Form 4473 purporting to show
that the straw purchaser is the actual
purchaser of the firearm. In some instances,
a straw purchaser is used because
the actual purchaser is prohibited
from acquiring the firearm. That is to
say, the actual purchaser is a felon or is
within one of the other prohibited categories
of persons who may not lawfully
acquire firearms or is a resident of a
State other than that in which the licensee's
business premises is located.
Because of his or her disability, the person
uses a straw purchaser who is not
prohibited from purchasing a firearm
from the licensee. In other instances,
neither the straw purchaser nor the actual
purchaser is prohibited from acquiring
the firearm.
In both instances, the straw purchaser
violates Federal law by making
false statements on Form 4473 to the
licensee with respect to the identity of
the actual purchaser of the firearm, as
well as the actual purchaser's residence
address and date of birth. The actual
purchaser who utilized the straw purchaser
to acquire a firearm has unlawfully
aided and abetted or caused the
making of the false statements. The
licensee selling the firearm under these
circumstances also violates Federal law
if the licensee is aware of the false
statements on the form. It is immaterial
that the actual purchaser and the straw
purchaser are residents of the State in
which the licensee's business premises
is located, are not prohibited from receiving
or possessing firearms, and
could have lawfully purchased firearms
from the licensee.
An example of an illegal straw purchase
is as follows: Mr. Smith asks Mr.
Jones to purchase a firearm for Mr.
Smith. Mr. Smith gives Mr. Jones the
money for the firearm. If Mr. Jones fills
out Form 4473, he violates the law by
falsely stating that he is the actual buyer
of the firearm. Mr. Smith also violates
the law because he has unlawfully aided
and abetted or caused the making of
false statements on the form.
Where a person purchases a firearm
with the intent of making a gift of the
firearm to another person, the person
making the purchase is indeed the true
purchaser. There is no straw purchaser
in these instances
. In the above example,
if Mr. Jones had bought a firearm
with his own money to give to Mr. Smith
as a birthday present, Mr. Jones could
lawfully have completed Form 4473.
The use of gift certificates would also
not fall within the category of straw purchases.
The person redeeming the gift
certificate would be the actual purchaser
of the firearm and would be properly
reflected as such in the dealer's records.
http://www.atf.gov/publications/downloa ... 5300-4.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Though this document is dated 2005, this area of law has not changed since then.

- Jim

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